An extraordinary half-hour conversation about the brain, chaos, order, freedom, evil, mythology, being, and becoming between two of the leading thinkers of our time. Perspectiva is a research organisation based in London, co-founded in 2016 by Scottish Philosopher and chess Grandmaster Dr Jonathan Rowson and Swedish Social Theorist and Entrepreneur Tomas Bjorkman. We examine the relationship between complex global challenges and the inner lives of human beings and highlight why this matters in society. Website: http://www.systems-souls-society.com