White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows appears on Fox Sunday with Maria Bartiromo to discuss the administration efforts to continue COVID-19 mitigation while opening schools and restarting the economy during an election year.
In the second half of the interview Mark Meadows discusses the ongoing Durham probe and the recently released declassified documents:
…”You are going to see a couple of other documents come out in the coming days that will suggest that not only was the campaign spied on, but the FBI did not act appropriately as they were investigating. It’s all starting to come unraveled -to unravel- and I tell you it’s time for people to go to jail or indicted”…
Earlier today Fox News broadcast a lengthy interview with President Trump and the always combative gatekeeper for the swamp, Chris Wallace. ¹WATCH:
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¹I have not watched, too busy.
[Transcript] – CHRIS WALLACE, FOX ANCHOR: And hello again from Fox News in Washington. Today from the White House, we’re on the president’s patio just outside the Oval Office.
President Trump, you’ve agreed to answer all manner of questions, no subject off-limits. Thank you and welcome back to “FOX NEWS SUNDAY.”
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Thank you very much.
WALLACE: Let’s start with the surge of the coronavirus across the country in recent months. You still talk about it as, quote, “burning embers.” But I want to put up a chart that shows where we are with the illness over the last four months. As you can see, we hit a peak here in April, 36,000 cases…
TRUMP: Cases.
WALLACE: … a day.
TRUMP: Yes, cases.
WALLACE: Then — then it went down and now since June, it has gone up more than double. One day this week 75,000 new cases. More than double…
TRUMP: Chris, that’s because we have great testing, because we have the best testing in the world. If we didn’t test, you wouldn’t be able to show that chart. If we tested half as much, those numbers would be down.
WALLACE: But — but this isn’t burning embers, sir? This is a forest fire.
TRUMP: No, no. But I don’t say — I say flames, we’ll put out the flames. And we’ll put out in some cases just burning embers. We also have burning embers. We have embers and we do have flames. Florida became more flame like, but it’s — it’s going to be under control.
And, you know, it’s not just this country, it’s many countries. We don’t talk about it in the news. They don’t talk about Mexico and Brazil and still parts of Europe, which actually got hit sooner than us, so it’s a little ahead of us in that sense.
But you take a look, why don’t they talk about Mexico? Which is not helping us. And all I can say is thank God I built most of the wall, because if I didn’t have the wall up we would have a much bigger problem with Mexico.
WALLACE: But, sir, we have the seventh highest mortality rate in the world. Our mortality rate is higher than Brazil, it’s higher than Russia and the European Union has us on a travel ban.
TRUMP: Yeah. I think what we’ll do — well, we have them under travel ban too, Chris. I closed them off. If you remember, I was the one that did the European Union very early.
But when you talk about mortality rates, I think it’s the opposite. I think we have one of the lowest mortality rates in the world.
WALLACE: That’s not true, sir. We, we, we have a — we had 900 deaths on a single day…
TRUMP: We will take a look…
WALLACE: … just this week…
TRUMP: Ready?
WALLACE: You, you can check it out.
TRUMP: Can you please get me the mortality rate?
TRUMP: Kayleigh’s right here. I heard we have one of the lowest, maybe the lowest mortality rate anywhere in the world.
TRUMP: Do you have the numbers, please? Because I heard we had the best mortality rate.
TRUMP: Number, number one low mortality rate.
TRUMP: I hope you show the scenario because it shows what fake news is all about. Ok, go ahead.
WALLACE: OK, OK. I don’t think I’m fake news but I will — we’ll put —
TRUMP: Yeah, you will —
WALLACE: — put our stats on —
TRUMP: You said we had the worst mortality rate in the world —
WALLACE: I said you had —
TRUMP: — and we have the best.
WALLACE VOICE OVER: All right. It’s a little complicated. But bear with us. We went with numbers from Johns Hopkins University which charted the mortality rate for 20 countries hit by the virus. The US ranked 7th better than the United Kingdom but worse than Brazil and Russia.
WALLACE VOICE OVER: The White House went with this chart from the European CDC which shows Italy and Spain doing worse. But countries like Brazil and South Korea doing better. Other countries doing better like Russia aren’t included in the White House chart.
WALLACE: California locking down again. Florida, deadliest day of the entire pandemic. Hospitals at capacity at a number of places around the country. Shortages of testing, shortages of personal protective equipment for nurses and doctors.
A lot of people say this is because we don’t have a national plan. You talk about states. We don’t have a national plan. Do you take responsibility for that?
TRUMP: Look, I take responsibility always for everything because it’s ultimately my job, too. I have to get everybody in line.
Some governors have done well, some governors have done poorly. They’re supposed to have supplies they didn’t have. I supplied everybody.
Now we have somewhat of a surge in certain areas. And other areas we’re doing great. But we have a surge in certain areas. But you don’t hear people complaining about ventilators. We’ve got all the ventilators we can use. We’re supplying them to other countries.
We go out into parking lots and everything, everybody gets a test. We find — if we did half the testing — with all of that being said, I’m glad we did it. This is the right way to do it. I’m glad we did what we’re doing. But we have more tests by far than any country in the world.
WALLACE: But, sir, testing is up 37 percent.
TRUMP: Well, that’s good.
WALLACE: I understand. Cases are up 194 percent. It isn’t just that testing has gone up, it’s that the virus has spread. The positivity rate has increased. There – the virus is…
TRUMP: Many of those cases…
WALLACE: … worse than it was.
TRUMP: Many of those cases are young people that would heal in a day. They have the sniffles and we put it down as a test. Many of them — don’t forget, I guess it’s like 99.7 percent, people are going to get better and in many cases they’re going to get better very quickly.
We go out and we look and then on the news — look if you go back to the news, all of your — even your wonderful competitors, you’ll see cases are up. Cases are up — many of those cases shouldn’t even be cases. Cases are up because we have the best testing in the world and we have the most testing.
No country has ever done what we’ve done in terms of testing. We are the envy of the world. They call and they say the most incredible job anybody’s done is our job on testing, because we’re going to very shortly be up to 50 million tests.
You look at other countries; they don’t even do tests. They do tests if somebody walks into the hospital, they’re sick, they’re really sick, they test them then, or they’ll test them in a doctor’s office. But they don’t go around have massive areas of testing and we do. And I’m glad we do, but it really skews the numbers.
WALLACE: I’m, I’m going to do you a favor, because I’m sure a lot of people listening right now are going to say, “Trump, he tries to play it down, he tries to make it not being as serious as it is.”
TRUMP: I don’t play it — I’m not playing — no, this is very serious.
WALLACE: 75,000 cases a day.
TRUMP: Show me the death chart.
WALLACE: Well, I don’t have the death chart.
TRUMP: Well, the death chart is much more important.
WALLACE: But I can tell you, the death chart is a thousand cases a day.
TRUMP: Excuse me, it’s all too much, it shouldn’t be one case. It came from China. They should’ve never let it escape. They should’ve never let it out. But it is what it is. Take a look at Europe, take a look at the numbers in Europe. And by the way, they’re having cases.
WALLACE: I can tell you cases are 6,000 in the whole European Union.
TRUMP: They don’t test. They don’t test.
WALLACE: Is it possible that they don’t have the virus as badly as we do?
TRUMP: It’s possible that they don’t test, that’s what’s possible. We find cases and many of those cases heal automatically. We’re finding — in a way, we’re creating trouble. Certainly, we are creating trouble for the fake news to come along and say, “Oh, we have more cases.”
Look, we do something that nobody’s ever done. Not only the ventilators, where we’re supplying them all over the world. We did a testing program the likes of which nobody’s ever done before.
WALLACE: The head of the CDC, Dr. Redfield, said this on Tuesday.
DR. ROBERT REDFIELD, CDC DIRECTOR: “I do think this fall and winter of 2020, 2021, are probably going to be one of the most difficult times that we’ve experienced in American public health.”
WALLACE: Do you agree with Dr. Redfield?
TRUMP: I don’t know and I don’t think he knows. I don’t think anybody knows with this. This is a very tricky deal. Everybody thought this summer it would go away and it would come back in the fall. Well, when the summer came, they used to say the heat — the heat was good for it and it really knocks it out, remember? And then it might come back in the fall. So they got that one wrong.
They — they got a lot wrong. They got a lot wrong. The World Health got a tremendous amount wrong. They basically did whatever China wanted them to. And we’ll save now almost $500 million a year, which is nice. But the World Health got a lot wrong.
WALLACE: But, this is one of the sharpest criticisms of you.
TRUMP: I agree.
WALLACE: People say that you talk about the world as you’d like to see it rather than follow the science.
TRUMP: No, I…
WALLACE: Well – let me just, let me just ask the question, sir. Why on earth would your administration be involved in a campaign at this point to discredit Dr. Fauci, who is the nation’s top infectious disease expert.
TRUMP: Because we’re not. If one man from my administration doesn’t like him because he made a few mistakes — look, Dr. Fauci said, “Don’t wear a mask.” Dr. Fauci told me not to ban China, it would be a big mistake. I did it over and above his recommendation. Dr. Fauci then said, “You saved tens of thousands of lives” — more than that. He said, “You saved tens of thousands of lives.”
Dr. Fauci’s made some mistakes. But I have a very good — I spoke to him yesterday at length. I have a very good relationship with Dr. Fauci.
WALLACE: But — but, sir, this week — this weekend, your White House put out a series of statements, so-called mistakes that Dr. Fauci had made. One of your closest aids — one of your right-hand men, Daniel Scavino, put out this — you’ve seen this?
TRUMP: Well Dr., look, look…
WALLACE: Dr. – Dr. – ‘Dr. Faucet,’ which shows him as a leaker and an alarmist.
TRUMP: Well, I don’t know that he’s a leaker ….
WALLACE: Why, why would you do that?
TRUMP: He’s a little bit of an alarmist. That’s OK. A little bit of an alarmist.
WALLACE: He’s a bit of an alarmist?
TRUMP: A little bit of an alarmist. Let’s – let me just say. Dr. Fauci at the beginning – and again, I have a great relationship with him. I spoke with him at length yesterday. Dr. Fauci at the beginning said, “This will pass. Don’t worry about it. This will pass.” He was wrong. Dr. Fauci said, “Don’t ban China. Don’t ban China.” I did. He then admitted that I was right.
WALLACE: But you made mistakes, too.
RUMP: I guess everybody makes mistakes.
WALLACE: I was going to say, you said at one point…
TAPE: January 22, 2020
TRUMP: It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.
TAPE: February 26, 2020
TRUMP: When you have 15 people. And the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.
TAPE: July 1, 2020
TRUMP: I think we’re gonna be very good with the coronavirus. I think that at some point that’s going to sort of just disappear. I hope.
TRUMP: I’ll be right eventually. I will be right eventually. You know I said, “It’s going to disappear.” I’ll say it again.
WALLACE: But does that – does that discredit you?
TRUMP: It’s going to disappear and I’ll be right. I don’t think so.
WALLACE: Right.
TRUMP: I don’t think so. I don’t think so. You know why? Because I’ve been right probably more than anybody else.
WALLACE: Then there are masks. From the first day that the CDC said that people should wear masks on April 3rd, you said you weren’t going to. You wore a mask for the first time in public…
TRUMP: Yes.
WALLACE: …at Walter Reed this weekend. Question, the CDC says if everybody wore a mask for 4-6 weeks, we could get this under control. Do you regret not wearing a mask in public from the start, and would you consider – will you consider a national mandate that people need to wear masks?
TRUMP: No I want people to have a certain freedom, and I don’t believe in that. No, and I don’t agree with the statement that if everybody wear a mask everything disappears. Hey, Dr. Fauci said don’t wear a mask. Our Surgeon General – terrific guy – said don’t wear a mask.
Everybody who is saying don’t wear a mask – all of sudden everybody’s got to wear a mask, and as you know masks cause problems, too. With that being said, I’m a believer in masks. I think masks are good.
But I leave it up to the governors. Many of the governors are changing. They’re more mask into – they like the concept of masks, but some of them don’t agree. I do say this – schools have to open.
Young people have to go to school, and there’s problems when you don’t go to school, too. And there’s going to be a funding problem because we’re not going to fund – when they don’t open their schools. We’re not going to fund them. We’re not going to give them money if they’re not going to school. If they don’t open.
WALLACE: Two points on that. First of all, what the Federal government gives is only – is 8 percent.
TRUMP: Ten percent and you know what – that’s a lot of money.
WALLACE: And you’re going to take – do you know where the money goes? It goes overwhelmingly to disadvantaged kids and children with disabilities.
TRUMP: Let the schools –
WALLACE: Why wouldn’t you put — send more money so the schools would be safer?
TRUMP: Chris, let the schools open. Do you ever see the statistics on young people below the age of 18? The state of New Jersey had thousands of deaths.
Of all of these thousands, one person below the age of 18 – in the entire state – one person and that was a person that had, I believe he said diabetes.
One person below the age of 18 died in the state of New Jersey during all of this – you know, they had a hard time. And they’re doing very well now, so that’s it.
WALLACE: The stimulus bill is running out at the end of this month.
TRUMP: Yes.
WALLACE: The Republicans say they want liability limits, which the Democrats don’t like. You say that you want a payroll tax cut, which even some Republicans are cool to.
TRUMP: But a lot of Republicans like it, though.
WALLACE: Will you only sign a bill that has those two provisions?
TRUMP: Well, we’re going to see. But we do need protections because businesses are going to get sued just because somebody walked in. You don’t know where this virus comes from. They’ll sit down at a restaurant. They’ll sue the restaurant, the guy’s out of business.
WALLACE: Right.
TRUMP: So we do need some kind of immunity. You do need it just like you need immunity for the police, OK, whether they like it or not. You need immunity for the police. But they do need a form of immunity. You don’t know if they caught it. And nobody’s ever going to be able to prove it one way or the other.
You can’t put these – you know, the people that – look, the Democrats don’t want to do that because they’re total – they’re totally captured by the lobby of lawyers. The lawyers’ lobby is probably the most powerful in the country.
WALLACE: What about the payroll tax cut?
TRUMP: I want to see it. I want to see it.
WALLACE: And if it isn’t in the bill?
TRUMP: I’ll have to see but, yeah, I would consider not signing it if we don’t have a payroll tax cut, yes.
WALLACE: Hot enough for you here, Mr. President?
TRUMP: It’s hot. It’s about, well, sort of almost record breaking stuff.
WALLACE: You know, we wanted to do it inside. This is your choice.
TRUMP: But I wanted you to sweat a little bit.
(LAUGHTER)
WALLACE: Well, we both are. There has been a spike in violent crime in America in recent weeks. We’ve seen deaths up in New York, deaths up in Chicago, shootings. How do you explain it and what are you going to do about it?
TRUMP: I explain it very simply by saying that they’re Democrat-run cities, they are liberally run. They are stupidly run. We have forced them in Seattle to end the CHOP because, you know, we were going in that following day. You probably have heard it. We were getting ready to go in. We were all set, and when they heard that we were going they set their police force.
WALLACE: Liberal Democrats have been running cities in this country for decades.
TRUMP: Poorly.
WALLACE: Why is it so bad right now?
TRUMP: They run them poorly, it was always bad but now it’s gotten totally out of control and it’s really because they want to defund the police. And Biden wants to defund the police.
WALLACE: No he, sir, he does not.
TRUMP: Look. He signed a charter with Bernie Sanders; I will get that one just like I was right on the mortality rate. Did you read the charter that he agreed to with…
WALLACE: It says nothing about defunding the police.
TRUMP: Oh really? It says abolish, it says — let’s go. Get me the charter, please.
WALLACE: All right.
TRUMP: Chris, you’ve got to start studying for these.
WALLACE: He says defund the police?
TRUMP: He says defund the police. They talk about abolishing the police. They talk about illegal aliens pouring …
WALLACE: I look, I look forward – I look forward to seeing that.
WALLACE: Meanwhile, the George Floyd murder has reignited the issue of racism in policing in this country. I want to give you a couple of statistics. Nationwide blacks are twice as likely, fewer in absolute numbers, but in terms of per capita, blacks are twice as likely to be shot and killed by police as whites are. In Minneapolis, over the last five years, police used force against blacks at a rate seven times that against whites.
Can you understand why blacks would be angry at that?
TRUMP: Of course I do. Of course I do. Many whites are killed also. You have to say that.
WALLACE: I understand that.
TRUMP: I mean, many, many whites are killed. I hate the sad – but this is going on for decades. This is going on for a long time, long before I got here. You know, if you look at what’s gone on in Portland, those are anarchists and we’ve taken a very tough stand. If we didn’t take a stand in Portland, you know we’ve arrested many of these leaders. If we didn’t take that stand, right now you would have a problem like you, you – they were going to lose Portland. So let’s see…
TRUMP: End prosecution of illegal border crossers. Support deathly — and these are the worse things, sanctuary cities –
WALLACE: Sir, I’m not, I’m not, I’m not disagreeing with you on any of those. I’m disagreeing about defund police –
(WALLACE VOICE OVER: The White House never sent us evidence the Bernie-Biden platform calls for defunding or abolishing police—because there is none. It calls for increased funding for police departments–that meet certain standards. Biden has called for redirecting some police funding for related programs—like mental health counseling.)
WALLACE: This week you said that Black Lives Matter and the Confederate flag are both matters, issues of freedom of speech.
TRUMP: Yeah.
WALLACE: But in the case of the Confederate flag, there are a lot of people who say these were traitors who split from this country, fought this country in large part to preserve slavery. Is the Confederate flag offensive
TRUMP: It depends on who you’re talking about, when you’re talking about.
TRUMP: When people – when people proudly have their Confederate flags, they’re not talking about racism. They love their flag, it represents the south, they like the south. People right now like the south. I’d say it’s freedom of, of, of many things, but it’s freedom of speech.
WALLACE: So you’re not offended by it?
TRUMP: Well, I’m not offended either by Black Lives Matter. That’s freedom of speech. And you know, the whole thing with cancel culture, we can’t cancel our whole history. We can’t forget that the north and the south fought. We have to remember that, otherwise we’ll end up fighting again. You can’t just cancel all…
WALLACE: But let me ask you this when it gets to be more than just cancel – well, maybe this is cancel culture. The National Defense Authorization Act, the NDAA, you have threatened to veto it because in the bill, and this was supported by Republicans as well as Democrats, it would rename army bases named for Confederate generals. Now this is a bill that funds military operations, it gives soldiers a pay raise.
TRUMP: Yeah.
WALLACE: You’re going to veto that?
TRUMP: No, because they’ll get their pay raise. Hey, look, don’t tell me this. I got soldiers the biggest pay raises in the history of our military.
WALLACE: Understood.
TRUMP: I got soldiers brand new equipment, brand new jets, brand new rockets, brand new – $2.5 trillion. I did more for the military than any president that’s ever had this office.
WALLACE: But you’re going to veto this bill?
TRUMP: Because I think that Fort Bragg, Fort Robert E. Lee, all of these forts that have been named that way for a long time, decades and decades…
WALLACE: But the military says they’re for this.
TRUMP: …excuse me, excuse me. I don’t care what the military says. I do – I’m supposed to make the decision. Fort Bragg is a big deal. We won two World Wars, nobody even knows General Bragg. We won two World Wars. Go to that community where Fort Bragg is, in a great state, I love that state, go to the community, say how do you like the idea of renaming Fort Bragg, and then what are we going to name it
We’re going to name it after the Reverend Al Sharpton? What are you going to name it, Chris, tell me what you’re going to name it? So there’s a whole thing here. We won two World Wars, two World Wars, beautiful World Wars that were vicious and horrible, and we won them out of Fort Bragg, we won out of all of these forts that now they want to throw those names away.
And, no, I’m against that, and you know what, most other people are. And I even – I don’t believe in polls because I see the fakest polls I’ve ever seen, but that poll is a 64 percent thing, which actually surprised me. We won World Wars out of these military bases. No, I’m not going to go changing them, I’m not going to go changing them.
WALLACE: So you’ll veto them?
TRUMP: I might. Yeah, I might.
WALLACE: At Mt. Rushmore on July 3rd, you said that we face a far-left fascism in this country and then you said this.
TAPE: July 3, 2020
TRUMP: Our children are taught in school to hate their own country and to believe that the men and women who built it we’re not heroes, but that were villains.
WALLACE: You said our children are taught in school to hate our country. Where do you see that?
TRUMP: I just look at – I look at school. I watch, I read, look at the stuff. Now they want to change — 1492, Columbus discovered America. You know, we grew up, you grew up, we all did, that’s what we learned. Now they want to make it the 1619 project. Where did that come from? What does it represent? I don’t even know, so.
WALLACE: It’s slavery.
TRUMP: That’s what they’re saying, but they don’t even know. They just want to make a change. Cancel culture – I hate the term, actually, but I use it
WALLACE: But are they teaching people to hate America?
TRUMP: Oh, I think so yeah, I think so. Look at the professors. Look at what’s going on in the colleges. If a conservative goes on a college – and look, we have as many as them. Excuse me, I think to the best of my knowledge, we’re sitting at the White House and the Oval Office is right behind me. We have as many as them.
WALLACE: Who’s them?
TRUMP: The liberal radical left, and I’m not talking all – I think liberal, I could tell you I like a lot of liberal people. I like a lot of liberal governors and senators, but, but Chris, we have a radical left destructive ideology and it’s being taught in our schools.
And don’t act like you’re surprised to hear this – there are books written about it, and we can’t let that go on. We can’t let them change the true meaning of what we’re all about and that’s what they’re trying to do and I don’t want it to happen. Not on my watch. It’s not going to happen on my watch.
WALLACE: Mr. President, you’ll be happy to know that Fox News has a new poll out today and you’re going to be the very first person to hear about it. In the national horse race, Joe Biden leads you by 8 points, 49 percent to 41. That’s 3, 4 points slimmer than it was a month ago. And on the issues, people trust Biden more to handle the coronavirus by 17 points, on race relations by 21 points, and even on the economy they trust Biden more by 1 point. I understand you still have more than a hundred days to this election, but at this point you’re losing.
TRUMP: First of all, I’m not losing, because those are fake polls. They were fake in 2016 and now they’re even more fake. The polls were much worse in 2016. They interviewed 22 percent Republicans. Well, how do you do 22 percent Republican? You see what’s going on. I have other polls that put me leading, and we have polls where I’m leading. I have a poll where we’re leading in every swing state. And I don’t believe that your — first of all, the Fox polls, whoever does your Fox polls, they’re among the worst. They got it all wrong in 2016. They’ve been wrong on every poll I’ve ever seen.
WALLACE: I — I must tell you…
TRUMP: No, I’m just telling you. And let me ask you this, so on the economy — so I’ve always led on the economy by a lot.
WALLACE: I know, which is why I was surprised by this number.
TRUMP: Biden can’t put two sentences together. They wheel him out. He goes up — he repeats — they ask him questions. He reads a teleprompter and then he goes back into his basement. You tell me the American people want to have that in an age where we’re in trouble with other nations that are looking to do numbers on us.
WALLACE: So let me ask you a direct question.
TRUMP: No, no…
WALLACE: No, I’m going to ask you a direct question about Joe Biden. Is Joe Biden senile?
TRUMP: I don’t want to say that. I’d say he’s not competent to be president. To be president, you have to be sharp and tough and so many other things. He doesn’t even come out of his basement. They think, “Oh this is a great campaign.” So he goes in, I’ll then make a speech, it’ll be a great speech, and some young guy, starts writing, “Vice President Biden said this, this, this, this.” He didn’t say it. Joe doesn’t know he’s alive, OK? He doesn’t know he’s alive. Do the American people want that, number one. Number two, I built the greatest economy ever built anywhere in the world; not only of this country, anywhere in the world. Until we got hit with the China virus. We got hit with the virus, shouldn’t have happened, and we had to close up, we saved millions of lives. Now we’ve opened it up, got to go back to school. We’re open. We’ve got to do things. We had the best job numbers we’ve ever had last month. We should have good ones coming up in two weeks. Look, I built the greatest economy in history, I’m now doing it again. You see the numbers; the numbers are through the roof. The Democrats are purposely keeping their schools closed, keeping their states closed. I called Michigan, I want to have a big rally in Michigan. Do you know we’re not allowed to have a rally in Michigan? Do you know we’re not allowed to have a rally in Minnesota? Do you know we’re not allowed to have a rally in Nevada? We’re not allowed to have rallies.
WALLACE: Well, some people would say it’s a health…
TRUMP: In these Democrat-run states…
WALLACE: But, wait a minute, some people would that it’s a health risk, sir.
TRUMP: Some people would say fine
WALLACE: I mean we had some issues after Tulsa.
TRUMP: But I would guarantee if everything was gone 100 percent, they still wouldn’t allow it. They’re not allowing me to do it. So they’re not — they’re not allowing me to have rallies.
WALLACE: But I’ve got to tell you, if I may, sir, respectfully, in the Fox poll, they asked people, who is more competent? Who’s got — whose mind is sounder? Biden beats you in that.
TRUMP: Well, I’ll tell you what, let’s take a test. Let’s take a test right now. Let’s go down, Joe and I will take a test. Let him take the same test that I took.
WALLACE: Incidentally, I took the test too when I heard that you passed it.
TRUMP: Yeah, how did you do?
WALLACE: It’s not – well it’s not that hardest test. They have a picture and it says “what’s that” and it’s an elephant.
TRUMP: No no no…
TRUMP: You see, that’s all misrepresentation.
WALLACE: Well, that’s what it was on the web.
TRUMP: It’s all misrepresentation. Because, yes, the first few questions are easy, but I’ll bet you couldn’t even answer the last five questions. I’ll bet you couldn’t, they get very hard, the last five questions.
WALLACE: Well, one of them was count back from 100 by seven.
TRUMP: Let me tell you…
WALLACE: Ninety-three.
TRUMP: … you couldn’t answer — you couldn’t answer many of the questions.
WALLACE: Ok, what’s the question?
TRUMP: I’ll get you the test, I’d like to give it. I’ll guarantee you that Joe Biden could not answer those questions.
WALLACE: OK.
TRUMP: OK. And I answered all 35 questions correctly.
WALLACE: You — you talk about how you’re winning, campaigns going well. Why did you replace Brad Parscale?
TRUMP: Because he’s a great digital guy, we all like him a lot, but I have somebody that was involved – you know they were all on the 2016 campaign. We have Corey and we have all the people. And actually, Steve Bannon’s been much better not being involved. He says the greatest president ever. I mean, he’s saying things that I said, “Let’s keep Steve out there, he’s doing a good job.” But they’re all being — they’re all involved. If Joe Biden got in, first of all, he won’t call the shots. The people — the radical left people that’s around him will call. Religion will be gone, OK? Life, you could forget about that, the whole question of life. Supreme Court…
WALLACE: When you say life, you mean abortion?
TRUMP: Absolutely. 100 percent. That whole question, which is a very — you know, it’s always been a 50-50 thing.
WALLACE: I understand.
TRUMP: It’s actually trending a little bit more towards one side now.
WALLACE: When you say religion is going to be gone, what does that mean?
TRUMP: Well, look at what they’re doing to the churches. They won’t let the churches even open if they want to stand in a field six feet apart. We’ve had churches that wanted to stand in fields six feet apart. There has never been an administration that’s done so much as I have, from tax cuts to regulation cuts to rebuilding the military to getting choice for the vets. Nobody’s done the things I’ve done. Nobody. In three and a half years no other president’s been able to do what I’ve done.
WALLACE: You’re running in large part on the economy. You’ve built it once. Now we had the coronavirus. You’re going to build it again. And in fact you had great jobs numbers in May, you had solid jobs numbers in June. But I want you to look at some projections. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office says the unemployment rate at the end of the year will be 10.5 percent. JPMorgan says in the fourth quarter GDP will contract by 6.2 percent. With states now rolling back some of the reopening and…
TRUMP: On purpose.
WALLACE: Well, there are a lot of Republican…
TRUMP: On purpose.
WALLACE: Well, there are a lot of Republican states, like Texas…
TRUMP: There is no reason…
WALLACE: And here’s…
TRUMP: They’ll be open very soon.
WALLACE: Let me just ask my question.
TRUMP: There’s no reason for California to be doing what they’re doing.
WALLACE: Alright.
TRUMP: Except for November 3rd.
WALLACE: With the states shutting back their reopening, in a lot of cases new lockdowns, won’t the economy still be a problem for you on Election Day?
TRUMP: I don’t think so. I think the economy is expanding and growing beautifully. Now, the Democrats want to keep it closed as long as possible because they think that’s good for elections. But I think the economy is doing very well. Now we’re coming back and we’re coming back at a level that nobody would have thought possible. And we are — and by the way, take a look at another, I mean, a gauge, whether you like it or not, the stock market. The stock market, NASDAQ hit its all-time high two weeks ago and has beaten it 14 different times, ok? The stock market, Dow, et cetera, is a thousand points away from its all-time high, meaning very close. We’re gonna have a stock market perhaps on November 3rd that’s the highest in history.
WALLACE: I want to talk to you about Obamacare. Since the pandemic hit, millions of people have lost their jobs and thereby lost their health insurance, and almost a half a million have signed up for Obamacare. Your administration just announced that you’re signing onto a lawsuit to overturn Obamacare.
TRUMP: And replace it.
WALLACE: Why does it make sense to overturn Obamacare which people now are relying on? Democrats are going to say, “The man who wanted to kill Obamacare is going to take away your — the protection for pre-existing conditions.”
TRUMP: First of all, we got rid of the individual mandate.
WALLACE: I understand.
TRUMP: Pre-existing conditions will always be taken care of by me and Republicans, 100 percent.
WALLACE: But you’ve been in office three and a half years, you don’t have a plan.
TRUMP: Well, we haven’t had. Excuse me. You heard me yesterday. We’re signing a health care plan within two weeks, a full and complete health care plan that the Supreme Court decision on DACA gave me the right to do. So we’re going to solve — we’re going to sign an immigration plan, a health care plan, and various other plans. And nobody will have done what I’m doing in the next four weeks. The Supreme Court gave the president of the United States powers that nobody thought the president had, by approving, by doing what they did — their decision on DACA. And DACA’s going to be taken care of also. But we’re getting rid of it because we’re going to replace it with something much better. What we got rid of already, which was most of Obamacare, the individual mandate. And that I’ve already won on. And we won also on the Supreme Court. But the decision by the Supreme Court on DACA allows me to do things on immigration, on health care, on other things that we’ve never done before. And you’re going to find it to be a very exciting two weeks.
WALLACE: Your niece, Mary Trump, has written a book about you and your family. And one of her main points is that she says your dad, Fred Trump, Sr., damaged the whole family and here’s what she says about what you learned from your father–
TAPE:ABC News/GMA July 16, 2020
MARY TRUMP: He learned to become the killer you mentioned. Um the man who needs to succeed at all costs, who will do anything um to get attention, financial rewards, and to win.
WALLACE: Do you see any truth in that?
TRUMP: My father liked to win. My father was a very good man. He was a strong man. It’s disgraceful that she said that. She was not exactly a family favorite. We didn’t have a lot of respect or like for her. I would’ve never said that except she writes a book that’s so stupid and so vicious and it’s a lie. My father was a great, wonderful man.
WALLACE: Let me just ask you this question—
TRUMP: This is not a person that I spent very much time with, very little time, and now I’m glad.
WALLACE: You’ve developed a pretty thick skin over the years from decades of attacks in New York tabloids, now from the press here –
TRUMP: Yes.
WALLACE: – and your political opponents here in Washington. But even for Donald Trump, does it hurt you at all to be attacked in such personal terms?
TRUMP: Yeah
WALLACE: By a member of your own family?
TRUMP: It hurts me more about attacking my father, not being kind to my mother. I have a mother who was like a saint. She was incredible. She was an incredible woman. And she was nasty even to my mother. She’s a very scarred person. She was not much of a family person.
But look, let me just tell you, my father was – I think he was the most solid person I’ve ever met. And he was a very good person. He was a very, very good person. He was strong but he was good. For her to say the kind of things, a psychopath, that he was a psychopath, anybody that knew Fred Trump would call him a psychopath?
And you know what, if he was I would tell you. And I would say, you know Chris, I was with my father and it was imposs– my father was – he was tough, he was tough on me, he was tough on all of the kids. But tough in a–in a solid sense, in a really good sense. For her to say – I think the word she used was psychopath – what a disgrace. She ought to be ashamed of herself. That book is a lie.
WALLACE: Some people were surprised when you agreed to this interview, to sit down with me.
TRUMP: What are you going to ask?
WALLACE: Especially because of some of the mean tweets that you’ve said about me. Mike Wallace wannabe. Nasty and obnoxious. I will tell you after that one my son, Peter, who you’ve met, called and he said nasty, no, obnoxious, maybe.
(LAUGHTER)
WALLACE: But here’s the question, one of your beefs seems to be that I put Democrats on the show and I ask them questions. And I guess the question I have is, don’t you understand it’s my job to put Democrats on as well as Republicans? And to ask them probing questions just like I ask Republicans?
TRUMP: I’m not a big fan of “Fox,” I’ll be honest with you. They’ve changed a lot since Roger Ailes. And I watch people like Swalwell, who I don’t even know, he goes on the show, he got less than 1 percent, all of a sudden he’s on – being interviewed for endless hours –
WALLACE: Yes, but I –
TRUMP: Not only him—
WALLACE: I interviewed Nancy–
TRUMP: I watched the nastiest people –
WALLACE: I interviewed, you sent one tweet after I interviewed Nancy Pelosi. And in the interview I asked her specifically about the fact in February you were in Chinatown pitching tourism while the virus was spreading.
TAPE: Fox News Sunday April 19, 2020
WALLACE: If the President underplayed the threat in the early days, Speaker Pelosi, didn’t you as well?
WALLACE: Isn’t that legitimate to
TRUMP: I would just say that–
WALLACE: –talk to the Speaker of the House?
TRUMP: I would just say that – look, I know you very well, I respect you a lot, I respect your father a lot. I thought he was one of the most talented journalists there are. And you likewise are a very talented person. I do think this, I think you are a very – I think you are toward the Democrat side, which is OK. I mean –
WALLACE: It’s not true—It– watch the James Comey interview I did in December.
TAPE: Fox News Sunday December 15, 2019
WALLACE: Seventeen significant errors in the FISA process and you say it was handled in a thoughtful and appropriate way?
COMEY: Yeah, he’s right I was wrong.
WALLACE: But you make it sound like you’re a bystander- an eye witness- you were the director of the FBI while a lot of this was going on, sir.
COMEY: Sure, I’m responsible for that. That’s why I’m telling you I was wrong. I was over confident as director in our procedures.
WALLACE: You couldn’t do as tough an interview with Comey.
TRUMP: OK.
WALLACE: I’d like to think I treat everybody the same.
TRUMP: It just seems to me that you are very prone to be nice to the Democrats and maybe I’m wrong about that, Chris, but it’s an honor to be with you it’s fine, I love it. I love that it’s close to 100 degrees out today –
WALLACE: Your choice again.
TRUMP: Yes, I know.
WALLACE: I’m not saying you’re going to lose. I am not saying that. We saw how you turned it around last time.
TRUMP: I don’t think I’m going to lose at all.
WALLACE: But if you did, how crushing would it be?
TRUMP: First of all, let me just tell you something, I know everyone wants to know that because they’d love to see me lose, finally.
WALLACE: I’m not – I am not saying that –
TRUMP: You know how many times I have been written off? Do you know how many times I’ve been written off?
WALLACE: I’ve done some of it myself, Sir.
TRUMP: My whole life –
WALLACE: I’m not doing it this time.
TRUMP: Don’t do it because –
WALLACE: But how crushing would it be?
TRUMP: And you know why I won’t lose, because the country in the end, they’re not going to have a man who – who’s shot. He’s shot, he’s mentally shot. Let him come out of his basement, go around, I’ll make four or five speeches a day, I’ll be interviewed by you, I’ll be interviewed by the worst killers that hate my – my guts. They hate my guts. There’s nothing they can ask me that I won’t give them a proper answer to. Some people will like it, some people won’t like it.
WALLACE: I agree with that.
TRUMP: But look –
WALLACE: You answer the questions.
TRUMP: Let Biden sit through an interview like this, he’ll be on the ground crying for mommy. He’ll say mommy, mommy, please take me home.
WALLACE: Well we’ve asked him for an interview, sir.
TRUMP: He can’t do an interview. He’s incompetent.
There’s a number you don’t mention. It’s called the enthusiasm number. The enthusiasm for Trump is through the roof even higher –
WALLACE: I have mentioned it.
TRUMP: – even higher than last time. The enthusiasm for Biden is nonexistent. Everyone knows he’s shot.
WALLACE: But the enthusiasm against you is high.
TRUMP: Well that’s OK. That’s his only shot.
WALLACE: Right.
TRUMP: And that’s his only shot. I agree. And those people know I’m doing a good job, but there’s something in my personality that they don’t like because look, nobody’s done what I’ve done.
Biden wants to come in and ruin our country, triple your taxes. He wants to do things – he wants to add regulations that I’ve all cut. And we still have regulation – a lot of regulation, but I’ve cut it down to a level that nobody’s – nobody ever thought possible.
He will destroy this country, but it won’t be him. It will be the radical left. The same type ideology that took over Venezuela, one of the richest countries in the world. They now have no water, they have no food, and they have no medicine.
WALLACE: Two–
TRUMP: That’s going to happen here–
WALLACE: Two final questions—
TRUMP: If he wins–
WALLACE: In general, not talking about November, are you a good loser?
TRUMP: I’m not a good loser. I don’t like to lose. I don’t lose too often. I don’t like to lose.
WALLACE: But are you gracious?
TRUMP: You don’t know until you see. It depends. I think mail-in voting is going to rig the election. I really do.
WALLACE: Are you suggesting that you might not accept the results of the election?
TRUMP: No. I have to see. Look, Hillary Clinton asked me the same thing.
WALLACE: No, I asked you the same thing at the debate.
TAPE: Presidential Debate, October 19, 2016
WALLACE: There is a tradition in this country — in fact, one of the prides of this country — is the peaceful transition of power and that no matter how hard-fought a campaign is, that at the end of the campaign that the loser concedes to the winner. Not saying that you’re necessarily going to be the loser or the winner, but that the loser concedes to the winner and that the country comes together in part for the good of the country. Are you saying you’re not prepared now to commit to that principle?
TRUMP: What I’m saying is that I will tell you at the time. I’ll keep you in suspense. OK?
TRUMP: And you know what? She’s the one that never accepted it.
WALLACE: I agree.
TRUMP: She never accepted her loss and she looks like a fool.
WALLACE: But can you give a, can you give a direct answer you will accept the election?
TRUMP: I have to see. Look, you – I have to see. No, I’m not going to just say yes. I’m not going to say no, and I didn’t last time either.
WALLACE: Whether it’s in 2021 or 2025, how will you regard your years as President of the United States?
TRUMP: I think I was very unfairly treated. From before I even won I was under investigation by a bunch of thieves, crooks. It was an illegal investigation.
WALLACE: But what about the good –
TRUMP: Russia, Russia, Russia.
WALLACE: But what about the good parts, sir?
TRUMP: No, no. I want to go this. I have done more than any president in history in the first three and a half years, and I’ve done it suffering through investigations where people have been – General Flynn, where people have been so unfairly treated.
The Russia hoax, it was all a hoax. The Mueller scam, it was all scam. It was all false. I made a bad decision on – one bad decision. Jeff Sessions, and now I feel good because he lost overwhelmingly in the great state of Alabama.
Here’s the bottom line. I’ve been very unfairly treated, and I don’t say that as paranoid. I’ve been very – everybody says it. It’s going to be interesting to see what happens. But there was tremendous evidence right now as to how unfairly treated I was. President Obama and Biden spied on my campaign. It’s never happened in history. If it were the other way around, the people would be in jail for 50 years right now.
That would be Comey, that would be Brennan, that would be all of this – the two lovers, Strzok and Page, they would be in jail now for many, many years. They would be in jail, it would’ve started two years ago and they’d be there for 50 years. The fact is, they illegally spied on my campaign. Let’s see what happens. Despite that, I did more than any president in history in the first three and a half years.
WALLACE: Mr. President, thank you, thanks for talking with us.
The only candidate who will restore law and order to America is President Donald Trump. If Americans come to fully understand this issue, he will win re-election in November
Usually, a President who delivered seven million new jobs and a historically low unemployment rate can run for re-election on his economic program. Unfortunately, the Covid-19 pandemic destroyed the economy. Thus, President Trump’s masterful stewardship of the economy is no longer apparent as Americans struggle to deal with economic lockdowns, virus mandates, and high unemployment.
As the nation returns to lockdown mode again with an increase in virus numbers, economic progress will be curtailed. This issue is no longer the President’s best way to win re-election.
Morale of police officers has become incredibly low. In this environment, it will become nearly impossible to recruit new police officers
With his response to Covid-19 being continually pummeled by the media, polls show the American people are giving the President poor grades. In fact, polls consistently show the President running behind former Vice President Joe Biden, the presumptive Democratic Party presidential nominee.
How can President Trump change the narrative? He made one good move by shaking up his campaign staff. However, the real answer involves making law and order the central issue of his re-election.
Americans do not like to see lawlessness on their streets; however, that has been the situation across the country since the killing of an African American, George Floyd, by a white Minneapolis police officer on May 25. For almost two months, our nation has been embroiled in unprecedented turmoil. The street violence in major American cities is worse than anything experienced in the anti-Vietnam War protests of the late 1960s.
It is especially disturbing that the number of attacks against law enforcement have skyrocketed. This has been coupled by ludicrous efforts to disband or defund police departments. In cities such as Seattle, Minneapolis and New York, police officers have been given extraordinarily little support by mayoral administrations.
There has been a disturbing attitude of hostility toward police departments. As the working environment for police officers deteriorates, police officers have started to retreat from danger zones, and many are just leaving the profession and retiring from their departments.
It is no surprise that the morale of police officers has become incredibly low. In this environment, it will become nearly impossible to recruit new police officers.
New York, New Orleans, Chicago, have suffered enormous increases in crime
Every day, Americans see images of protesters attacking police officers. One recent attack was particularly egregious. In New York City. Protesters near the approach to the Brooklyn Bridge attacked police officers, severely injuring several of them. One of the attackers used a cane to pummel a police officer. Incredibly, after being arrested, the alleged assailant was quickly released from jail with no bail.
In recent weeks, New York City has seen a sharp increase in crime. Part of the problem is that the New York Police Department (NYPD) is not allowed to fight back against the criminals. Their plainclothes division, which focused on anti-crime measures, was disbanded. To make matters worse, $1 billion was stripped away from the NYPD and given to social programs that focus on youngsters.
The new strategy will be doomed to failure. A similar strategy was developed in New Orleans to withhold funding for new classes of police recruits and to fund a variety of social programs called “NOLA for Life.” The lack of police officers led to crime response times soaring and more crimes going unsolved. New York will experience similar problems and crime will only increase.
Other major American cities have suffered enormous increases in crime. Citizens in Chicago must deal with a multitude of shootings and murders every weekend. The victims have included young children. At a news conference this week, the President’s Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany called Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot a “derelict” for not protecting her citizens. Lightfoot fired back, calling McEnany a “Karen,” which is a racial slur against white women. This egregious name calling will not be able to obscure the Mayor’s failure to provide basic security to the people of Chicago.
On American streets, criminals are not just attacking innocent children and police officers. Criminals are also destroying historic monuments and Catholic statues, as well as defacing churches and businesses. The goal is to use the street chaos along with the Covid-19 hysteria to make Americans uncomfortable with voting and accept mail-in ballots in November.
Biden is out of step with most Americans on a critically important matter
The Democrats are using every possible tactic to encourage Americans to turn against President Trump. In response, the President’s strategy should be to focus on the issue of law and order and frame the presidential choice as one between lawlessness and total pandemonium.
These efforts were bolstered this week when the President received the endorsement of the National Association of Police Officers (NAPO), which represents 241,000 members. These officers voted for President Trump by a whopping two-thirds margin. In the 2008 and 2012 presidential elections, the NAPO endorsed the Barack Obama and Joe Biden ticket, so the switch to President Trump was incredibly significant.
For this year’s endorsement, Biden did not even address the group. He knows that he has extremely limited support from police in this election. Not only has he claimed that he would “absolutely” support withdrawing funding from police, but he also called them “the enemy.” In a July 8 online interview, Biden said, “The last thing you need is an up-armored Humvee coming into a neighborhood: it’s like the military invading. They don’t know anybody; they become the enemy; they’re supposed to be protecting these people.”
Sadly, Biden does not appreciate that every day, police officers risk their lives to “protect and serve” the American people. They perform thankless jobs for little pay but undergo tremendous abuse and scrutiny.
Solely on this issue, President Trump can win the election. Most Americans support their police officers and want law and order restored in the country. Biden is out of step with most Americans on a critically important matter. The only candidate who will restore law and order to America is President Donald Trump. If Americans come to fully understand this issue, he will win re-election in November.
The media are reporting that Wilburine has been hospitalized with an undisclosed illness. Fortunately, the media reports are optimistic.
WASHINGTON – Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, 82, went to a hospital in upstate New York on Friday night, sources told Fox News.
A Commerce Department spokesperson on Saturday confirmed to Fox News: “Secretary Ross has been admitted into the hospital for minor, non-coronavirus related issues. He is doing well and we anticipate his release soon.”
Two of the sources told Fox News that Ross was not feeling well on Friday evening and went to the hospital. One source said his illness is not related to COVID-19. (link)
Secretary Ross is one of the key architects, designing and executing President Trump’s economic and trade policy. He is an incredibly brilliant mind and has been an essential component throughout. One of Ross’s primary responsibilities is organizing a restructured trade agreement with the EU. Prayers for a speedy recovery.
A recent New York Timesarticle by Jeremy W. Peters claims it is a “fact” “that black people suffer disproportionately from police brutality.” He also asserts that President Trump’s rejection of this accusation is “racially inflammatory” and “racially divisive.” To the contrary, comprehensive facts show that this allegation against police is false. Furthermore, this deception has stoked racial divides and driven people to despise and even murder police officers.
In an interview with CBS News that is slated to air in full tonight, reporter Catherine Herridge asked Trump, “Why are African-Americans still dying at the hands of law enforcement in this country?” He responded that this is a “terrible question” and that “more white people” are killed by police than black people.
CBS News, the New York Times, and many other media outlets are criticizing Trump’s response because blacks are a much smaller portion of the U.S. population than whites. Thus, the odds of being killed by police are higher for each black person than each white person. This frequent argument is highly misleading because it omits facts that are vital to this issue. As detailed in a 2018 paper in the journal Social Psychological and Personality Science:
“The most common means of testing for racial disparity in police use of deadly force is to compare the odds of being fatally shot for blacks to the odds of being fatally shot for whites.”
That logic is flawed because it relies upon the false assumption that white and black people commit life-threatening crimes at the same rates.
The rational way to analyze this issue is to compare the odds of being fatally shot to each race’s “involvement in those situations where the police may be more likely to use deadly force.”
Based on four different national datasets on “murder/nonnegligent manslaughter, violent crime, and weapons violations,” “in nearly every case, whites were either more likely to be fatally shot by police or police showed no significant disparity in either direction.”
The facts about murder and police killings underscore this reality. Black people represent about 13% of the U.S. population, at least 53% of murder offenders, and roughly 33% of people killed by police.
The Supreme Court’s 1985 ruling in Tennessee v. Garner forbids police from using lethal force except in situations where there is a genuine risk of “death or serious physical injury.” In 2015, the Washington Post found that over the prior decade an average of about five police officers per year were indicted for violating this standard, and only one per year was convicted.
Likewise, a study conducted by the left-leaning Center for Policing Equity reveals that police are 42% less likely to use lethal force when arresting black people than when arresting whites. Yet, the authors of this study buried that data on the 19th page of a 29-page report and wrote an overview that gives the opposing impression.
Taken together, the facts above disprove the claim that “black people suffer disproportionately from police brutality.” Yet, media outlets routinely ignore these facts or report them in isolation so that their implications are obscured. Meanwhile, they widely spread the counterfactual message that has inspired racial strife, hatred of the police, and slayings of officers. For example:
Before Ismaaiyl Brinsley murdered New York City policemen Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu in 2014, he posted on Instagram: “I’m Putting Wings On Pigs Today. They Take 1 Of Ours….. Let’s Take 2 of Theirs #ShootThePolice, #RIPErivGardner and # This may be my final post.”
During a 2016 Black Lives Matter protest in Dallas, TX in which the crowd chanted “Hands up, don’t shoot,” Micah Johnson killed five police officers. During standoff negotiations, he said he wanted to kill white people, especially white officers. All of the policemen he murdered were white.
Ten days later, Gavin Eugene Long shot six Baton Rouge, Louisiana police officers, killing three of them. His suicide note stated: “I must bring the same destruction that bad cops continue to inflict upon my people,” meaning people of color.
Beyond this, the Times and other media outlets that propagate those racially provocative falsehoods are accusing people who challenge them of stirring racial hostilities.
There are more than 800,000 sworn law enforcement officers in the U.S., and they commit roughly one murder per year. This amounts to an annual murder rate of 0.13 per 100,000—or about 38 times lower than the general U.S. murder rate of 5.0 per 100,000. Police are vetted for criminality, and thus, they should be much less likely to commit murder than the average person. However, police are also faced with life-threatening situations more often than the general public, and this opens doors for violent tendencies to emerge.
Regardless, it is irrational to accuse police or any other group of people of brutality or systemic racism based on the actions of an infinitesimal portion of them. Yet, the media and activists repeatedly do this, even though it is a hallmark tactic of racists and demagogues.
15 THOUGHTS ON “BLACK PEOPLE DO NOT SUFFER DISPROPORTIONATELY FROM POLICE BRUTALITY”
I would like to send you some studies that appear to provide evidence that appears to substantiate significant disparities in the use of force against African Americans. If you would kindly provide me an email I can use I would happy to send these to you for your comment. I would send you the actual studies, not the citations or mere references (with 1 exception.).
1. A Multi-Level Bayesian Analysis of Racial Bias
in Police Shootings at the County-Level in
the United States, 2011–2014
2. An Empirical Analysis of Racial Differences in Police Use of Force,
Roland G. Fryer, Jr.†
July 2017
3. Is There Evidence of Racial Disparity in Police Use of Deadly Force? Analyses of
Officer-Involved Fatal Shootings in 2015–2016
Joseph Cesario, David J. Johnson, William Terrill (abstract only)
4. Officer characteristics and racial disparities in fatal
officer-involved shootings
David J. Johnsona,b,1, Trevor Tressb, Nicole Burkelb, Carley Taylorb, and Joseph Cesariob (Heather MacDonald used this study as (among others?) for her editorial in the WSJ.
5. Correction for “Officer characteristics and racial disparities in
fatal officer-involved shootings,” by David J. Johnson, Trevor
Tress, Nicole Burkel, Carley Taylor, and Joseph Cesario, which
was first published July 22, 2019; 10.1073/pnas.1903856116 (Proc.
Natl. Acad. Sci. U.S.A. 116, 15877–15882).
6. Police, Race, and the Production of Capital Homicides
Jeffrey Fagan†
Amanda Geller*
Thank you for your considerations. I am very appreciative of the very fine work JustFacts does to bring a balanced and factual presentation of the evidences and arguments to the issues of our day.
Thank you for your kind words. Below are the key facts on these six studies. As you’ll see, they are either fatally flawed, inconclusive, or actually find that police are not more likely to use lethal force against minorities:
This study uses an incomplete, crowd-sourced dataset that records 16 cases of civilians being shot by police in Houston, TX and surrounding areas from 2011 to 2014. During this period, at least 177 such shootings occurred in Houston alone. In other words, the study’s data is so fragmentary that it is useless.
This study found that “on the most extreme use of force – officer-involved shootings – we are unable to detect any racial differences in either the raw data or when accounting for controls.” The author, Harvard professor Roland G. Fryer Jr., called this “the most surprising result of my career.”
On the other hand, the study did find that “blacks and Hispanics are more than 50 percent more likely to experience some form of force in interactions with police,” but this drops to 21.3% when controlling for factors like resisting arrest. Fryer theorizes there is a racial reason for this, but the remaining difference could be due to factors that the study did not control for, or it may be because police are more likely to forcibly restrain people in high-crime neighborhoods to prevent situations that require lethal force, regardless of race.
The paper is also marred and its credibility is undermined by this misleading claim: “The raw memories of these [racial] injustices have been resurrected by several high-profile incidents of questionable uses of force. Michael Brown, unarmed, was shot 12 times by a police officer in Ferguson, Missouri, after Brown fit the description of a robbery suspect of a nearby store.” Before the working draft of this paper was published in 2016, the Obama Justice Department proved in 2015 that the officer shot Brown in self-defense. On 9/12/16, I personally wrote to Fryer with documentation of that fact, and yet, he still submitted this paper for final publication with this falsehood in it.
This is the exact same study that I quote in the article above. Again, it found that “in nearly every case, whites were either more likely to be fatally shot by police or police showed no significant disparity in either direction.”
In the words of the study’s authors, this study found that “once crime rates were taken into account, civilians fatally shot by the police were not more likely to be black or Hispanic than white.” Furthermore, it showed that “white officers are not more likely to fatally shoot minority civilians compared to black or Hispanic officers.”
This study mentions earlier research about racial disparities in the death penalty, but the facts are that relative to the rates at which people of different races commit murder in the U.S., black people are less likely to be sentenced to death and executed than white people.
The study correctly points out that murders are less likely to be solved in minority neighborhoods and posits racial causes for this, but it also recognizes that this may be due to factors such as these:
• Minorities are more likely to be involved in murdering strangers than whites, and such murders are more difficult to solve.
• Police resources are stretched in minority neighborhoods due to high crime rates.
• Minorities are less likely to cooperate with murder investigations due to fear of reprisal and hostility towards police.
Question: Is Donald Trump the first president whose message is being almost totally stifled by a gang up of the Democrats, media and entertainment celebrities?
Question: Amidst the roughly 99 percent negative media reports on President Donald Trump, how many would have been able to identify the far left platforms of Democrat poll-supported Joe Biden read out in his July 14 Rose Garden press conference? (White House, July 14, 2020)
Mainstream and social media were lightning-quick to criticize Trump for dissing Biden at the presser.
Trump advisor, Fox News contributor Karl Rove stepped up to say that the president shouldn’t be talking about Biden out on the campaign trail.
If President Trump can’t talk about his opponent Joe Biden out on the campaign trail, he would only be able to talk about him AFTER Biden is elected president— in an election that polls indicate he will definitely win.
What good is that?
As far as the media is concerned, it’s almost as if President Donald Trump isn’t even in the 2020 race.
Imagination and surrealism go a long way with Desperado Democrats and their vicious media surrogates
With pro-Trump conservative news sites under intense social media suppression; Entertainment celebrities joining desperado Dems and the media to muzzle the president, what chance does he have in getting his message out to the masses?
“Thursday, Fox News host Neil Cavuto cut away during a speech by President Donald Trump on deregulation to fact-check his claims that former President Barack Obama had enacted “job-destroying regulations.” (Breitbart, July 16, 2020)
“Cavuto said, “I do want to clarify a couple of things he said, that no president in history has cut regulations as much as he has. That is true. I think he might have mischaracterized the regulations that were added under Barack Obama — they were largely financial related. You might recall we had this little thing called the financial meltdown, and much of those regulations were geared to preventing banks from ever investing in things like risky mortgage securities, pooling them, selling them off.”
“He continued, “The unemployment rate did, under Barack Obama, go down from a high of 10% to around 4.7%. President Trump, of course, sent that even lower, eventually getting us down to a 3.5% unemployment rate. But I didn’t want to leave you with the impression that during those eight years when Obama first came into office, and we were bleeding about a million jobs a month that that was standard fare and that characterized the whole eight years.”
“He added, “It was not a disaster under Barack Obama. Not only did the Dow essentially triple during his tenure, but whether you want to call the increase regulations and other things that police financial companies, as a bane to our existence, those companies did very well. Americans did very, very well. So I just want to put that in some context here.”
Wonder why Cavuto didn’t “fact check” the Rose Garden speech where Trump outlined the Biden campaign platform with all of its far left socialist dictates?
Question: Is Donald Trump the first president whose message is being almost totally stifled by a gang up of the Democrats, media and entertainment celebrities?
This update is going to be a little raw, perhaps written more for me than you. First, to those who are offering support – THANK YOU. I remain outside the wire, and way out of my comfort zone… but that’s ok.
In the background there was one setback, the print company ran into a problem with the binding for the briefing material (72 hr delay); apparently it’s a little overwhelming. [Not a bad thing really]
However, that is a minor setback compared to the angel who appeared at the most opportune moment. The biggest hurdle is nearly overcome, and as one person described: “holy sh!t the murderers row” is assembled.
The oral briefs paid dividends. Now there’s an army forming, dispatches received, everything locked in place, one serious angel to thank. Factually, “it’s not only what’s in the documents, it’s also what’s on the documents that matters, & no-one ever noticed until now.”.. ~JW
The next week is critical. CTH into the belly of the beast. Again, an apology for spending less time on daily news events, research and writing, and more time on the critical cusp of activity previously discussed. That’s why the daily content of the site is less.
THE alliance of allies is a priority; that means a personal investment. Each person briefed recognizes this is much bigger than previously thought. Stunningly so. One by one, people see the importance. It’s an amazing story in totality.
I’m less worried about Barr-Durham failing now. Hoping for their success, and recent background indicators support ‘cautious optimism’; but preparing just in case.
I let down someone important to me but not the goal; which reminded me just how much our founders put at risk when they faced far more serious challenges than my simple effort. Regardless, it is a crushing gut-punch to see yourself drive with such intensity that you generate collateral damage accidentally. Lesson: it is much harder to forgive your own trespasses against others, than it is to forgive those who trespass against you.
Again, thanks for your support. Every prayer is felt, and I really believe those prayers are making a difference; remarkably so. This journey is actually bringing me closer to my own faith which was quite unexpected. Truthfully, nakedly, I’m also scared as hell; this is so far out of my comfort zone – that’s likely the reason for my renewed reliance.
All of that said, things are falling into place. The balance has shifted a little, and now not only are doors opening, but our own door is being knocked upon. That result can only be described as guided. Ergo, I’m seriously humbled. Humbled and more optimistic.
“Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged, for the LORD your God will be with you wherever you go.”
Remember – Do not worry yourself with dark imaginings. Turn your fear into resolve; turn that resolve into action. I am not going to be discouraged… check that…. I purposefully choose not to be discouraged. Each of us has the ability to control our thoughts.
Live your best life, RIGHT NOW, and remember it’s the only one we have.
We live in the greatest nation on the face of the earth. We are the people of that nation, with boundless opportunities most of the world can only dream of.
We are Americans….
Stop giving the opposition power by positioning your outlook that Barr and Durham will do nothing…. Just stop. We must demand action. We are worth it. Do not give them an inch of room for obfuscation. Do not worry about being perceived as an a**hole about it.
Quit listening to those who say “can’t” and “won’t”…
If they feel comfortable sitting in their socially distant box and bitching about all things that are not right, or might be not be right…. Or, if they prefer to allow themselves to be overcome with dark imaginings simply because what cannot be done is more comfortable than the effort to oversee what needs to be done…. well, that’s okay.
They can do that.
And when they are done doing that they’ll still be in the same place.
But I swear to you: I am more confident than ever.
The goal is in sight.. a blinding light… and it cannot be avoided. Recent events have only confirmed this to be true. We are on the right side of history.
We are all being guided. It is rather remarkable.
I saw this tweet from Lee Smith and it is very true:
When I read that message from Lee, it really resonated. We must go on offense armed with the truth, and not stand around defending against lies.
Red States, Blue States, Red Regions and Blue Regions present an incredible disparity within our republic; I’m curious what is the current status of the COVID lifestyle near you. What is going on in/around your town, city, region or hamlet?
This isn’t just a typical request for ground reports, it’s also a little selfish. You are helping with advanced recon for an ongoing travel itinerary. East Coast, mid-west, then west. Trying to travel during this COVID crisis is a hot mess of frustrated puddle jumping, changes and cancellations. It is quite amazing the scale of difference between cities and states. The media has been reporting in large generic terms, but the stuff that matters is how it impacts your life; your daily function. That’s what we are all interested in.
It is remarkable how different life amid COVID is within each state, even when two states are right next to each other. So how is it your area?
Today at 4:00pm ET President Trump will be delivering remarks on ‘Rolling Back Regulations’ to help Americans. The speech is from the south lawn of the White House. [Livestream Links Below]
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This is a library of News Events not reported by the Main Stream Media documenting & connecting the dots on How the Obama Marxist Liberal agenda is destroying America
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I would like to send you some studies that appear to provide evidence that appears to substantiate significant disparities in the use of force against African Americans. If you would kindly provide me an email I can use I would happy to send these to you for your comment. I would send you the actual studies, not the citations or mere references (with 1 exception.).
1. A Multi-Level Bayesian Analysis of Racial Bias
in Police Shootings at the County-Level in
the United States, 2011–2014
2. An Empirical Analysis of Racial Differences in Police Use of Force,
Roland G. Fryer, Jr.†
July 2017
3. Is There Evidence of Racial Disparity in Police Use of Deadly Force? Analyses of
Officer-Involved Fatal Shootings in 2015–2016
Joseph Cesario, David J. Johnson, William Terrill (abstract only)
4. Officer characteristics and racial disparities in fatal
officer-involved shootings
David J. Johnsona,b,1, Trevor Tressb, Nicole Burkelb, Carley Taylorb, and Joseph Cesariob (Heather MacDonald used this study as (among others?) for her editorial in the WSJ.
5. Correction for “Officer characteristics and racial disparities in
fatal officer-involved shootings,” by David J. Johnson, Trevor
Tress, Nicole Burkel, Carley Taylor, and Joseph Cesario, which
was first published July 22, 2019; 10.1073/pnas.1903856116 (Proc.
Natl. Acad. Sci. U.S.A. 116, 15877–15882).
6. Police, Race, and the Production of Capital Homicides
Jeffrey Fagan†
Amanda Geller*
Thank you for your considerations. I am very appreciative of the very fine work JustFacts does to bring a balanced and factual presentation of the evidences and arguments to the issues of our day.
Thank you for your kind words. Below are the key facts on these six studies. As you’ll see, they are either fatally flawed, inconclusive, or actually find that police are not more likely to use lethal force against minorities:
1) A Multi-Level Bayesian Analysis of Racial Bias in Police Shootings at the County-Level in the United States, 2011–2014
This study uses an incomplete, crowd-sourced dataset that records 16 cases of civilians being shot by police in Houston, TX and surrounding areas from 2011 to 2014. During this period, at least 177 such shootings occurred in Houston alone. In other words, the study’s data is so fragmentary that it is useless.
2) An Empirical Analysis of Racial Differences in Police Use of Force
This study found that “on the most extreme use of force – officer-involved shootings – we are unable to detect any racial differences in either the raw data or when accounting for controls.” The author, Harvard professor Roland G. Fryer Jr., called this “the most surprising result of my career.”
On the other hand, the study did find that “blacks and Hispanics are more than 50 percent more likely to experience some form of force in interactions with police,” but this drops to 21.3% when controlling for factors like resisting arrest. Fryer theorizes there is a racial reason for this, but the remaining difference could be due to factors that the study did not control for, or it may be because police are more likely to forcibly restrain people in high-crime neighborhoods to prevent situations that require lethal force, regardless of race.
The paper is also marred and its credibility is undermined by this misleading claim: “The raw memories of these [racial] injustices have been resurrected by several high-profile incidents of questionable uses of force. Michael Brown, unarmed, was shot 12 times by a police officer in Ferguson, Missouri, after Brown fit the description of a robbery suspect of a nearby store.” Before the working draft of this paper was published in 2016, the Obama Justice Department proved in 2015 that the officer shot Brown in self-defense. On 9/12/16, I personally wrote to Fryer with documentation of that fact, and yet, he still submitted this paper for final publication with this falsehood in it.
3) Is There Evidence of Racial Disparity in Police Use of Deadly Force? Analyses of Officer-Involved Fatal Shootings in 2015–2016
This is the exact same study that I quote in the article above. Again, it found that “in nearly every case, whites were either more likely to be fatally shot by police or police showed no significant disparity in either direction.”
4) Officer Characteristics and Racial Disparities in Fatal Officer-Involved Shootings
In the words of the study’s authors, this study found that “once crime rates were taken into account, civilians fatally shot by the police were not more likely to be black or Hispanic than white.” Furthermore, it showed that “white officers are not more likely to fatally shoot minority civilians compared to black or Hispanic officers.”
5) Correction for “Officer Characteristics and Racial Disparities in Fatal Officer-Involved Shootings”
This is merely a technical clarification of the study just above that changes none of its results.
6) Police, Race, and the Production of Capital Homicides
This study mentions earlier research about racial disparities in the death penalty, but the facts are that relative to the rates at which people of different races commit murder in the U.S., black people are less likely to be sentenced to death and executed than white people.
The study correctly points out that murders are less likely to be solved in minority neighborhoods and posits racial causes for this, but it also recognizes that this may be due to factors such as these:
• Minorities are more likely to be involved in murdering strangers than whites, and such murders are more difficult to solve.
• Police resources are stretched in minority neighborhoods due to high crime rates.
• Minorities are less likely to cooperate with murder investigations due to fear of reprisal and hostility towards police.