Ep 3654a – [CB]/[DS] Plan Failed, Powell Now Trapped, Trump Has Operational Control


Posted originally on Rumble By X 22 Report on: May 30, 2025 at 5:30pm EST

5.30.25: Tariffs back, Steel Dossier, DECLAS, USDA exposed, Hussein & Harvard, HUMA, Pray!


Posted originally on Rumble By And We Know on: May 30, 2025 at 6:30 am EST

5.29.25: On a mission from GOD, Things are moving! DOGE, Epstein, Key date in COMMS coming, Pray!


Posted originally on Rumble By And We Know on: May 29, 2025 at 6:30 am EST

Zelensky – Lies, Lies & More Lies


Posted originally on Jun 1, 2025 by Martin Armstrong 

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The Trump Administration has stated that it was NOT informed in advance. Ukraine was putting out the fake news claiming that they had previously told the Trump Administration in advance. They were most likely trying to scare Putin to prevent him from retaliating, implying that Trump has his back. This was indeed Russia’s Pearl Harbor. Zelensky wrote on X on Sunday wrote:

“Head of the Security Service of Ukraine Vasyl Maliuk delivered a report regarding today’s operation. An absolutely brilliant result. A result achieved solely by Ukraine. One year, six months, and nine days from the start of planning to effective execution. Our most long-range operation. Our people involved in preparing the operation were withdrawn from Russian territory in time.”

Zelensky Trump scolding him

Note that Zelensky also goes out of his way to state another lie: “A result achieved solely by Ukraine.” There is absolutely no way Ukraine did this alone. All of the EU was involved, just as MI6 instructed Ukraine to invade with the Kursk maneuver. Claiming Trump was informed in advance but not NATO or the EU after Trump threw him out of the White House, and everyone I speak to on Capitol Hill lost respect for Zelensky after that staged attempt to embarrass Trump into keeping the funding going.

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The ruthless Neocon who was the fake Republican on the January 6th Committee that tried to stop Trump from even running for president, Adam Kinzinger of Illinois, also wrote on X: “Important to note: the targeting of Russian bombers is COMPLETELY LEGAL and expected in a war. A response from Russia will target civilians and be a war crime. But it’s Russia. They bombed hospitals in Ukraine and Syria. They are…. A terrorist state.” This is the same guy who claimed NATO can take out Russia in three days.

Let’s make this very clear. These bombers were NOT being used in Ukraine. They were by no means an act of defense. This was an act of aggression – PERIOD!

This is indeed the Russian ‘Pearl Harbor.’ If I were Putin, this is the time to annihilate Ukraine and eradicate it from the face of Europe. Peace will NEVER happen. Putin should now destroy Ukraine to remove it as a proxy war client. Drop the leaflets and give the Ukrainian people 5 days to migrate to Europe. This is akin to Rome’s destruction of Carthage, which put an end to the Punic War and ensured that no city would ever rise there again. Only then will the EU be forced to come out of the closet and admit that it is the real enemy. The US engaged in WWII after Pearl Harbor. That is the magnitude of what Ukraine has done. I would expect Russia to now go on full nuclear alert against the EU.

Macron Polls

DEFCON 3

I believe that Russia has now gone to DEFCON 3 out of 5. The wild card is Macron. My sources in Romania confirm that Macron was there for the election to ensure that the EU won and the people of Romania would be the next wave of pawns to die for the EU agenda led by Macron to vanquish Russia. They call Macron the Petite Napoleon. He is behind WWIII and is the leader pushing for war, as is now Germany’s Merz.

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This is the picture of the German GDP. Germany could even be the first EU state to crumble. Note that June has been the primary target for the whole year. Look at the Volatility for July and August. Germany is 25% of the EU economy.  Speaking to political sources, I am informed that it is now Germany really pushing hard for war against Russia using Ukraine. This is looking really bad with each market you review.

Taiwan and the Coming Yearly Panic Cycle


Posted originally on Jun 1, 2025 by Martin Armstrong 

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QUESTION: Marty, Socrates is also looking like a major war in Asia is unfolding. Just to make sure we are really talking about WWIII, China has warned the US that it has accused it of “fear-mongering” and “playing with fire” after Donald Trump’s defence secretary Pete Hegseth said a Chinese invasion of Taiwan could be imminent. China’s foreign ministry objected to Mr Hegseth calling it a threat in the Indo-Pacific, describing his comments as “deplorable” and “intended to sow division”.

Would you comment on Taiwan?

Bret

ANSWER: Here, too, the computer shows a Directional Change in 2024 and a Panic Cycle for 2026 with escalating volatility into 2032. I really wish I could write positive things. But my job is to say what the computer is forecasting, not my personal opinion, wishes, or even expectations. We have pushed China and Russia together, and it will be those two, with others, that confront NATO, the EU, and the USA.

Boulder Colorado Terrorist Was Islamic Illegal Alien from Egypt, Identified as Mohamed Sabry Soliman


Posted originally on CTH on June 1, 2025 | Sundance

According to Fox News reporter Bill Melugin, three senior DHS sources tell him the Boulder terror suspect is an Egyptian national in the U.S. illegally as a visa overstay who entered the U.S. during the Biden administration. Mohamed Sabry Soliman arrived at LAX on 8/27/22 on a B1/B2 nonimmigrant visa with an authorized stay through 2/26/23, but he overstayed & never left.

On 9/29/22, terror suspect Mohamed Sabry Soliman filed some sort of claim with USCIS, potentially an asylum claim, and on 3/29/23, USCIS under the Biden admin gave him work authorization, which expired on 3/28/25. Soliman remained illegally in the United States before he carried out his attack today in Boulder, Colorado.

According to local and FBI officials, there are at least six victims as Mohamed Sabry Soliman used an improvised flamethrower to attack people in the crowd. The FBI and Local Police held a press conference:

Summary: Six people have been injured after an Egyptian illegal alien started “setting people on fire” at a mall in Boulder in Colorado. The FBI calls it a “suspected act of terrorism” and tells a news conference the suspect – who they have identified as Mohamed Sabry Soliman – shouted “free Palestine” during the attack. A peaceful event in support of Israeli hostages was under way when the attack happened; police say – the group meets regularly for a walk in the area. Officers say the suspect has been taken into custody and six people were injured, with injuries ranging from “very serious” to more minor. Colorado’s attorney general says the attack “appears to be a hate crime.”

(Via Daily Mail) – At least six pro-Israel demonstrators were set alight in a ‘targeted terror attack’ as the suspect shouted ‘we have to end Zionists.’

The incident took place about 1.30pm local time on Sunday at Pearl Street Mall as the targets gathered to honor hostages still held in Gaza.

A shirtless man who was pacing back and forth and awaiting their arrival began launching makeshift Molotov cocktails at civilians. He was later identified by the FBI as Mohamed Sabry Soliman.

Moments after the incident, Soliman was filmed launching an extraordinary tirade against Jewish people, shouting at the victims: ‘How many children you killed?’

Then turning his attention to the crowd which had gathered, he continued: ‘We have to end Zionists. They are killers.’

Authorities revealed six people were set alight in the chilling attack, while witnesses revealed at least one woman was forced to throw herself on the ground and roll back and forth in an effort to extinguish the flames on her body.

The victims were all rushed to hospital, where they are now being treated for varying injuries. At least one remains in a critical condition.

[…] California tourist Alex Osante was eating at an Italian restaurant off Boulder’s famed Pearl Street pedestrian mall when he heard a ‘big boom’ and saw a woman ‘on fire from head to toe on fire.’

Within minutes, a nearby man ran to his table to grab two bottles of water before rushing back to victims writhing in flames on the ground.

‘People were screaming and yelling … tripping over each other,’ he told Daily Mail.

‘The terrorist had a Molotov cocktail in his hand. He had two other bottles, and he threw a bottle at the group, and a lady caught on fire from head to toe – fully imppersed in fire.

‘And then the other few people, maybe four others, were also on fire – but not as bad,’ he said.

Osante said that, while he had no idea what was going on, he immediately began filming from his position amidst the outdoor seating at the restaurant.

‘There was a roof above me, so I didn’t feel like bullets were going to come from above if there were people shooting,’ he said.

‘I didn’t hear any bullets, so I was just being aware by watching and listening … and if there was an opportunity where I can help.’

He said he saw victims lying on the grass and writhing around while it felt ‘way too long’ until first responders arrived.

In Boulder on Sunday night, blocks of the popular mall were blocked off with crime tape as police combed the area with sniffer dogs and stood guard. (LINK)

Poland Nationalist Candidate Karol Nawrocki Predicted to Win Election, Despite Heavy Left-Wing/Globalist Efforts


Posted originally on CTH on June 1, 2025 | Sundance

Making Poland Great Again.  Despite all the media and EU efforts to shape the outcome of the Polish election, it looks like nationalist candidate Karol Nawrocki will secure the presidential victory. As the votes continue to be counted (55% so far) Nawrocki is ahead by 54.67 percent to 45.33 percent.

The European Union, Team Obama and every globalist activist group in Europe was earnestly trying to give Warsaw Mayor Rafał Trzaskowski the win. However, the central areas outside the leftist enclave of Warsaw, boosted by significant support from young voters, have provided enough support to lift Nawrocki to victory.  Brussels is going bananas.

President-elect Karol Nawrocki will replace outgoing President Andrzej Duda, and Nawrocki does not support war against Russia, is strong on deporting migrants out of Poland and not supportive of the European Commission making rules for the Polish people.  Nawrocki is generally in alignment with President Donald Trump and the MAGA support base.  This is a win to counterbalance other leftist states within the EU.  Obviously, the media call Karol Nawrocki “far-right.”

WARSAW — Right-wing candidate Karol Nawrocki is leading centrist Rafał Trzaskowski by 51 percent to 49 percent in Poland’s presidential election, according to a final exit poll released early Monday morning.

The country’s electoral commission says final results of the vote count will be announced later on Monday. With 55 percent of the votes counted, Nawrocki was ahead by 54.67 percent to 45.33 percent. […] Nawrocki, backed by the nationalist Law and Justice (PiS) party and also by U.S. President Donald Trump’s administration, aims to pull Poland away from the European mainstream in a more populist direction. (more)

The media tried their oft-deployed trick earlier in the day by saying the exit polls supported leftist Rafal Trzaskowski; however, as the votes continued to be counted Nawrocki gained the lead, and he is extending that lead as more votes are counted.  It looks like Poland voted ‘too big to rig.

Congratulations Poland.

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk has big sad.

A Nawrocki victory would deal a significant blow to the Tusk government, which would face another adversarial president likely to block key legislative proposals.  “Nawrocki’s presidency means a high-level conflict between the president and Tusk. But it’s clear that it will be difficult for the government to implement key reforms because the president can veto most of them,” said Sawicka. (link)

Ukraine Carries Out Widespread Suicide Mission Attacks in Russia – White House Not Informed in Advance


Posted originally on CTH on June 1, 2025 | Sundance 

The basic outline of what took place are now a bit clearer.  In what was called “Operation Spider Web” Ukraine counterintelligence operatives staged a series of semi-trucks near five strategic air bases deep inside Russia.  The trucks were loaded with explosive drones, and the drones came out and attacked the bases.  Most of the truck drivers and drone operators were captured by Russian military. It was a suicide mission.

According to Ukraine government officials the mission was a big success; however, the claim of 40 strategic long-range Russian bombers being destroyed seems more like a PR narrative than likely actual outcome.

Factually, it was a counterintelligence success to pull off such a well-coordinated significant operation deep inside the Russian Federation.  However, on the other hand this operation outlines how Russia is more like the USA than people think as it relates to the locations of their military bases and the vulnerable proximity around them.

Most Americans think of Russia as some form of locked-down totalitarian state where every square inch is under strict surveillance.  My recent travels throughout Russia highlight exactly the opposite.  Russia is far more open and unmonitored; yes, even around military bases, than our own country.  There is not a big matrix of surveillance around the Russian Federation at all.

Some of the five known attacks took place 2,000km deep into Russia. According to Axios, “Ukrainian intelligence agents launched 117 attack drones from trucks that have been covertly placed near Russian air bases — some of them in Siberia — thousands of kilometers from Ukraine. Around 40 Russian military planes — most of them strategic bombers — were reportedly hit in the attack. Zelensky said 34% of Russias strategic bombers were hit.”

I doubt the accuracy of that “40” hit target number with 117 drones; yet even if true, not all the targeted aircraft would be completely disabled.

According to CBS, “The drones hit airfields including the Belaya air base in Russia’s Irkutsk region, more than 2,500 miles from Ukraine. It is the first time that a Ukrainian drone has been seen in the region, local Gov. Igor Kobzev told AP, stressing that it did not present a threat to civilians. While White House spokespeople declined to comment on the attack, administration sources told CBS News on Sunday that the White House was not aware it was coming.

Russian news outlets are reporting that the truck drivers and drone operators have been captured.  Obviously, the Russian Federation considers this an act of terrorism, and the captured suspects will not be treated as combatants at war.  The operators who carried out the mission will be tortured (for quite a while), questioned and then ultimately disappeared or sent back to their Ukrainian homeland in several pieces.

There’s also an important detail to remember.  People are laughing at the long-range Russian bombers being left out in the open, vulnerable to attack. However, their visibility is required as part of several nuclear agreements between the USA and Russia.  Our long range nuclear capable bombers, covered under the agreements, are also visible.  Zelenskyy is playing with fire by targeting them, which also explains why Zelenskyy never told President Trump in advance.

Ukrainian saboteurs also carried out two successful attacks on small regional bridges near the Russia/Ukraine border.  Again, CBS,”The first bridge, in the Bryansk region on the border with Ukraine, collapsed on top of a passenger train on Saturday, causing casualties. The train’s driver was among those killed, state-run Russian Railways said. Hours later, officials said a second train derailed when the bridge beneath it collapsed in the nearby Kursk region, which also borders Ukraine.”

As the notices first started appearing online via Telegram, my first impression was that this was more akin to a one-time value terrorist attack by Ukraine counterintel operatives in Russia, with little/no western support.  The attacks themselves, while well-coordinated and seemingly quite effective, are of a very rudimentary level.  However, that said, the CIA or western intelligence agencies may well have supported or assisted.

The attacks come as Russian officials are in Turkey for further ceasefire negotiations with their Ukrainian counterparts scheduled to begin tomorrow.  Obviously, President Zelenskyy would know this operation would create an environment in Turkey the opposite of peace talks.  Highlighting once again that Zelenskyy is not interested in peace discussions as long as he has USA and NATO cover (and support) for his continued attacks upon Russia.

Russian President Vladimir Putin considers Ukraine President Zelenskyy as a terrorist.  This method of attack by Zelenskyy certainly underlines and affirms that perspective by Putin.  The counterstrike by Vladimir Putin will likely be very serious and devastating, and we can anticipate Zelenskyy running behind the NATO apron for cover now that he has punched Putin deep inside the Russian Federation.

According to the New York PostAxios and CBS News, President Trump was unaware the attack was going to take place.  It will be interesting to see what position President Trump takes with a rather significant predictable response now pending from Vladimir Putin.

The carpet-bombing of Ukraine is more likely today than it was yesterday.

Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick Discusses Trump Tariff Status – The Tariffs are Delivered “One Way or The Other”


Posted originally on CTH on June 1, 2025 | Sundance

If we cut through all the polite pretending, Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick appears on Fox News to tell the bobble head the nation specific tariffs are going to hit regardless of what approaches need to be taken.  President Trump is going to remain focused on structural changes to the global economic system of trade, manufacturing and USA commerce despite all of the grandiose efforts of the multinationals and their Lawfare foot soldiers.

As Lutnick again repeats, there are a variety of legal mechanisms that can be used to enforce the tariff program triggered by President Trump.  Adhering to them is not optional for trade partners who wish to have access to the USA market.  If the exporting nation wants to play games, try and delay or delay tactics, the end result will be even more against their interests.  There is no alternative other than to acquiesce.  WATCH:

German Chancellor Friedrich Merz is going to find this out on Thursday when he shows up in full Blackrock mode and only creates a worse scenario for himself and the EU Commission he represents.  If Merz wants ‘ugly’, no problem – President Trump has an endless supply of big ugly tools.

FA-FO!

CBS Margaret Brennan Very Concerned New CDC Guidelines Could Impact Big Pharma Bottom Line


Posted originally on CTH on June 1, 2025 | Sundance

This interview is really easy to boil down.  86% of American parents do not want to give their child a COVID-19 vaccination.  88% of pregnant American Women do not want to get a COVID-19 vaccination.  However, the majority of CBS News advertising funding comes from Big Pharma.

In essence, Margaret Brennan is protecting her next contract negotiation, and the transparency of it is off the charts.

That’s the context you will hear play out in this interview between FDA commissioner Marty Makary and CBS News Margaret Brennan.  Video and Transcript below:

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[Transcript] – MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome back to Face the Nation. We’re joined now by FDA Commissioner Dr. Marty Makary. Good morning.

FDA COMMISSIONER DR. MARTY MAKARY: Good morning.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Good to have you here in person.

DR. MAKARY: Good to be here.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So I want to get through a lot here, but one of the things we’ve noticed is this new COVID variant that seems to be circulating in Asia. I believe it’s NB.1.8.1. It’s a variant under monitoring. What do we need to know?

DR. MAKARY: Yeah so this appears to be a subvariant of JN.1, which has been the dominant strain so it’s believed that there is cross-immunity protection. The COVID- COVID virus is going to continue to mutate, and it’s behaving like a common cold virus. It’s now going to become the fifth coronavirus that’s seasonal, that causes about 25% of the cases of the common cold.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So you’re thinking of it as like a flu-type variant, just a normal fluctuation.

DR. MAKARY: The flu mutates about 34 times more frequently than COVID. The COVID variant mutation rate appears to be a little more stable, but the international bodies that have provided some guidance on which strain to target, have suggested that either JN.1 or any of these subvariants would be reasonable strains to target.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So you don’t seem overly concerned about that. I want to get now into some of the recommendations that have been very specific this week from the CDC and you with the HHS Secretary in this video announcement on Tuesday where Secretary Kennedy said the CDC was removing the COVID vaccine for healthy children and healthy pregnant women from its recommended immunization schedule. He then had a memo to the CDC rescinding recommendations for kids’ vaccines, saying the known risks do not outweigh the benefits. Then late Thursday, the CDC said quote “shared clinical decision-making,” which I think is just talking to your doctor should determine whether kids get vaccinated. Can you clearly state what the policy is? Because this is confusing.

DR. MAKARY: Yeah, we believe the recommendation should be with a patient and their doctor. So we’re going to get away from these blanket recommendations in healthy, young Americans because we don’t want to see–

MARGARET BRENNAN: For all vaccines?

DR. MAKARY: We don’t- well on the COVID vaccine schedule, we don’t want to see kids kicked out of school because a 12-year-old girl is not getting her fifth COVID booster shot. We don’t see the data there to support a young, healthy child getting a repeat, infinite, annual COVID vaccine. There’s a theory that we should sort of blindly approve the new COVID boosters in young, healthy kids every year in perpetuity, and a young girl born today should get 80 COVID mRNA shots, or other COVID shots in her average lifespan. We’re saying that’s a theory, and we’d like to check in and get some randomized, controlled data. It’s been about four years since the original randomized trials, so we’d like an evidence based approach. Dr. Prasad and I published this in the New England Journal of Medicine last week, and we’re basically saying we’d like to bring some confidence back to the public around this repeat booster strategy theory, because–

MARGARET BRENNAN: Your statement was not about repeat boosters. It says the vaccine is not recommended for pregnant women, the vaccine is not recommended for healthy children. That’s different than annual boosters.

DR. MAKARY: Yeah at this point we’re dealing, you know, it is a booster strategy- people would be getting the updated shot. So whether or not a young, healthy–

(CROSSTALK)

MARGARET BRENNAN: But what about kids who haven’t gotten a shot?

DR. MAKARY: So we’d like to see the data. We’d love to see that- that data. It doesn’t exist.

MARGARET BRENNAN: No, no, no, but on a practical level, for a parent at home, hearing you, trying to make sense here.

DR. MAKARY: Yeah. We’re saying, take it back to your doctor.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Their child has not been vaccinated. Are you recommending that their first encounter with COVID be an actual infection?

(END CROSSTALK)

DR. MAKARY: We’re not going to push the COVID shot in young, healthy kids without any clinical trial data supporting it. That is a decision between a parent and their doctor. And just so, I don’t know if you know the statistics, but 80 for 88% of American kids, their parents, have said no to the COVID shot last season. So America, the vast majority Americans, are saying no. Maybe they want to see some clinical data as well. Maybe they have concerns about the safety–

(CROSSTALK)

MARGARET BRENNAN: I don’t want to crowdsource my health guidance. I want a clear thing–

DR. MAKARY: The worst thing you–

MARGARET BRENNAN: –I wouldn’t go with popularity–

DR. MAKARY: The worst thing–

MARGARET BRENNAN: –I’m going with, as you’re saying, data–

DR. MAKARY: –Yeah so let’s see the data.

(END CROSSTALK)

MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay. So the CDC data said 41% of children aged six months to 17 years hospitalized with COVID between 2022 and 2024 did not have a known underlying condition. In other words, they looked healthy–

DR. MAKARY: So–

MARGARET BRENNAN: –and COVID was serious for them.

DR. MAKARY: So first of all, we know the CDC data is contaminated with a lot of false positives from incidental positive COVID tests with routine testing of every kid that walks in the hospital–

MARGARET BRENNAN: You don’t trust the CDC data?

DR. MAKARY: –When I go to the ICU, when I walk to the P- the we know, We know that data, historically under the Biden administration, did not distinguish being sick from COVID or an incidental positive COVID test. When you go to an ICU in America and you ask, how many people are in the ICU that are healthy, that are sick with COVID, the answer I get again and again is, we haven’t seen that in a year or years. And so the worst thing you can do in public health is to put out an absolute universal recommendation in young, healthy kids. And the vast majority of Americans are saying, no, we want to see some data. And you say, Forget about the data. Just get it anyway.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay, so on data and transparency for decades, since 1964 it was the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, ACIP that went through this panel recommendation. People watched these things during COVID. The report was then handed up. It offered debate, it offered transparency, and it offered data points that people could refer back to. Why did you bypass all of this and just come down with a decision before the panel could meet and meet that data?

DR. MAKARY: That panel has been a kangaroo court where they just rubber stamp every single vaccine put in front of them. If you look at the minutes of the report from, they even say we were- generally want to move towards a risk stratified approach.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So why not let them do that in June?

DR. MAKARY: So in the meantime, we don’t want an absolute recommendation for healthy kids to get it. They can do it, and that committee-committee will meet and make recommendations. But you look at the minutes of the last couple of years, they say we want a simple message for everybody, just so they can understand it. It was not a data based conversation. It was a conversation based on marketing and ease and and I’ve written an article titled “Why the people don’t trust the CDC,” and it’s in part from that blanket strategy–

MARGARET BRENNAN: You’re telling them not to right now. You just said don’t trust the CDC.

DR. MAKARY: We’re saying it’s going to be between a doctor and a patient until that committee meets or more experts weigh in, or we get some clinical data. If there’s zero clinical data, you’re opining. I mean, you’re just, it’s a theory, and so we don’t want to put out an absolute recommendation for kids with no clinical data at this point.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So you made this pronouncement as well on pregnant women. There is data. Researchers in the UK analyzed a series of 67 studies, which included 1.8 million women, and the journal BMJ Global Health published it. People can Google it at home, and it says the COVID vaccine in pregnant women is highly effective in reducing the odds of maternal SARS-CoV-2 infection, hospital admission and improves pregnancy outcomes with no serious safety concerns. This is data that shows that it is recommended or could be advised, for pregnant women to take this vaccine. Why do you find otherwise?

DR. MAKARY: There’s no randomized control trial. That’s the gold standard. Those 67 studies are mixed. The data in pregnant women is different for healthy versus women with a comorbid condition. So it’s a very mixed bag. So we’re saying your obstetrician, your primary care doctor, and the pregnant woman should together decide whether or not to get it. 12% of pregnant women last year got the COVID shot. So people have serious concerns, and it’s probably because they want to see a randomized trial data, the randomized trial of pregnant women–

MARGARET BRENNAN: But in the meantime, the world moves on, and you published in the New England Journal of Medicine on May 20. In that report, you referenced, you listed pregnancy as an underlying medical condition that increases a person’s risk for severe COVID. You said that. So then seven days later, you joined in this video announcement saying you should drop the recommendation for the COVID vaccine in healthy pregnant women. So what changed in the seven days?

DR. MAKARY: In the New England Journal medicine, we simply list what the f- what the CDC has traditionally defined as high risk, and we’re just saying, decide with your doctor. We’re not saying the other–

MARGARET BRENNAN: But doctors want data and information as well from you–

DR. MAKARY: and the randomized trial– so here’s the data on pregnant women. A randomized control trial was set up, and it was closed without any explanation. We wanted to see that trial complete so women can have information that in a randomized control trial, which is the gold standard, this is what the data shows. We don’t have those data.

MARGARET BRENNAN: All right. It is still unclear what pregnant women now should do until they get the data that you say–

DR. MAKARY: I’d say talk to their doctor.

MARGARET BRENNAN: When do they get the data you’re promising? All these controlled studies.

DR. MAKARY: In the absence of data, they should talk to their doctor–

MARGARET BRENNAN: So no date?

DR. MAKARY: –and their doctor will use their best wisdom and judgment.

MARGARET BRENNAN: FDA Commissioner, thank you for trying to help clear this up.

[END TRANSCRIPT]