Capitalism v Socialism – Good Perspective of the Difference


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COMMENT: Martin, A story I received: A guy looked at my Porsche the other day and said I wonder how many people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost. I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling Green, Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed the people who made the components that went into it, it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the trucks that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it from the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the dealership and their families. BUT,… I have to admit, I guess I really don’t know how many people it fed.

That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality. When you buy something, you put money in people’s pockets, and give them dignity for their skills. When you give someone something for nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth. Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of value. Socialism is taking your money against your will and shoving something down your throat that you never asked for.

JS

REPLY: This is a very good example of the difference between Capitalism and Socialism. Hillary said during the campaign that Trump was worth a few billion – “Think of what we could do with that money.” They only do look at the wealth and not at the contribution to the economy and society. You can look at Henry Ford and say yes – another rich bastard. How many jobs did he create inventing the assembly line? The difference is jobs compared to just entitlements for existing.

I had an old friend from high school call me when I was around 40. He called to ask me for a job. I ask; “Frank. What have you been doing?” He told me he never worked. He has his plane, car, and boat. When we grew up, his mother own the luncheonette all the kids would go to for lunch and after school. She was a widow and spoiled Frank. She never made him get a job and just bought him whatever he wanted. When his mother died, the money stopped. When he called me and said he never worked, I was shocked. I said I did not have a job for him. He was the classic example of socialism.

John McCain Caught Red Handed Planting Landmines in Georgia


McCain is no patriot and should be in jail for what he did in Vietnam.

Fake News – Just Look at the Source


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QUESTION: Dear Marty: OK, with all this stuff floating around about Russia, and Trump doing strange things on bedding can you shed some light from Behind the Curtain ? Are the establishment THAT SCARED that one of their own is not in power ? I have to say, I am totally disillusioned. The Press is Constitutionally protected, yet they spread lies and unfounded allegations… it is the US Press, not Russia which is shaking Democratic Institutions.

Look, In my opinion it is very easy to find out if the 17 Intelligence Agency report is fact, or opinion with one single question: ” What was your charge in writing this report?” The response be one or the other:

1. We were charged with finding out IF Russia phished the DNC

2. We were charged HOW the phising of Russia affected the DNC

The second question presumes that Russia did it, and the report is nothing more than pulling in pieces to support this conclusion. The first question would presumably include details to prove that Russia did hack. The BuzzFeed report is just totally out of line, and it is reported in the media like it is truth! ( say a lie long enough and it becomes the truth). So, please shed light on this if you can and throw us in the USA bone and let us know what Socrates says about the winner of the Superbowl.

Regards,

SS

ANSWER: BuzzFeed after this one is really not a respected news source. Even CNN is not trying to distance itself from BuzzFeed. Jonah Peretti is Founder and CEO of BuzzFeed. He is so biased, he previously signed an advertising deal with the Republicans and then when Trump was the nominee, he refused to accept any advertising from the Republicans for Trump. He said “we don’t run cigarette ads because they are hazardous to our health, and we won’t accept Trump ads for the exact same reason” (see NewYorker).

Even the staff at BuzzFeed flipped out when its CEO Jonah Peretti Tweeted that Ivanka Trump said to him that “I’ve never seen a mulatto cock, but I’d like to!” in response to he saying she never heard her father speak with such vulgarity.

BuzzFeed has shown its true colors. It put out a memo with so many false statements it demonstrates that they are just unreliable. Yes, Donald Trump was there in Moscow at that hotel because they had the Miss Universe contest at that location. There is no evidence that the claims in the leaked report occurred during Trump’s 2013 trip which centered around the Miss Universe contest in the Russian capital which he owned. There does not appear to be any truth to these accusations and they appear to be a desperate attempt to stop the inauguration.

o'donald RossieIt is amazing how the Democrats are refusing to yield. You have Rossie O’Donald coming out now claiming there should be a declaration of Martial Law and Obama should stay in the White House until Trump can prove his innocence: I “fully support imposing martial law – delaying the inauguration – until Trump is cleared of all charges.” That’s what she said in response to a Twitter user who suggested the U.S. military take control of the government until the president-elect can prove he  has no financial ties to Russia.

I have never heard any Republican ever call for the suspension of the constitution because Clinton or Obama won. The country has always accepted the vote and moved on. This is just showing how very dangerous the world is becoming for these leftists are historically always the most violent people. Looking at our war model, I really have to say this gives me deep concern about what lies ahead with these types of people who will do anything, say anything, to get their way. Then Elizabeth Warren vows to delay all appointments to prevent Trump from accomplishing his agenda in the first 100 days.

Buzzfeed just joined the not ready for real news club. You have to separate personal opinion from reporting. That’s why we have conferences. Our clients want to know what the COMPUTER says – not me personally.

What all this nonsense is about is cover for the real issue. If the Democrats were honest and clean and did not try so hard to sabotage the Republican primaries to ensure Trump would be the nominee so they though they could beat him, and they did not sabotage Bernie to make sure Hillary would win their candidacy, then if Russia hacked the DNC, there would be nothing to report. This is like a bank robber blaming the police for getting there early so they got caught. Had the police been 2 minutes late, they would have gotten away. This is the entire argument of the Democrats. Nobody is saying (1) the election was hacked, and (2) that the emailed that were released were fake.

The entire issue is – they got caught. Do anything and saying anything – the ends justify the means

Do Not Trust Governments or Their Employees


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QUESTION: Hi Martin,

I am familiar with the case of Robert Kahre who eventually lost a battle with the IRS for paying his employees in $20 gold pieces to avoid payroll taxes. However, do you think holding foreign currency gold pieces in a foreign bank account would be different from a US tax perspective so that the legal tender value in that country would apply towards the $10,000 reporting level?

ANSWER: The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in California has upheld the criminal conviction of Robert Kahre, the man who tried to circumvent the IRS by paying his employees in gold coin. He relied on the face value of the gold coins being below the legal threshold that triggers withholding taxes. A $20 gold coin is legal tender for only $20 — not its gold value. Gold was never demonetized. From a strict construction perspective, Kahre was correct and should not have been charged legally. However, the IRS interprets the value of the gold, not the legal tender value. The Court held that Kahre didn’t do his duty to serve as a tax collector for the United States, for which you, as an employer, are not paid. Kahre is currently serving a 15-year sentence.

You must understand that you are dancing with the devil. There is absolutely NO RULE OF LAW whatsoever and all your constitutional rights are fictional. Your liberty and human rights are in the hands of every petty government officer because they get to do whatever they desire and it has become your burden to go to court to PROVE you have any human rights. This is what happens in all republics. Whenever you have a political class, they always exert their power against the people. There is ABSOLUTELY NO HISTORICAL EXCEPTION!

I understand that people say I am wrong about bitcoin or cryptocurrencies. You cannot possibly fight against government. They can say whatever they want and their judges rule in government’s favor. Forget it! You cannot find any possible legal argument that will ever survive.

Politicians often promote the least ethical people to various positions to ensure that they will have no loyalty, except to the person of their benefactor. Saint Thomas Becket (1119/1120 – 1170) was Archbishop of Canterbury from 1162 until his murder in 1170 at the altar of the church. He was the drinking buddy of King Henry II, King of England. Henry wanted to control the church and installed his friend who had never been a priest. Upon becoming Archbishop, Thomas found religion. He suddenly defended the church and was murdered in Canterbury Cathedral. So there are a few historical exceptions. However, the typical appointment of someone by politicians is normally to further their own power.

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Edward Gibbon commented in “The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire” how the rule of law collapses In this case, he was commenting on Commodus:

“[Each] distinction of every kind soon became criminal. The possession of wealth stimulated the diligence of the informers; rigid virtue implied a tacit censure of the irregularities of Commodus; important services implied a dangerous superiority of merit; and the friendship of the father always insured the aversion of the son. Suspicion was equivalent to proof; trial to condemnation. The execution of a considerable senator was attended with the death of all who might lament or revenge his fate; and when Commodus had once tasted human blood, he became incapable of pity or remorse.

(Book 1, Chapter 4)

There is no sure-fire way to beat the government. They can say whatever they desire and the likelihood of you prevailing in a court of law is somewhere below zero. There are no fair trials. They do not exist anymore.

Bonds v Shares


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QUESTION: Dear Mr. Armstrong
As a long time reader I rarely see you mention the possible long term benefits of also holding corporate bonds. I understand the obvious down side to government bonds and the reason for stocks to move higher, but since bond holders get paid before stock holders when things go bad would corporate bonds not be a lower risk investment.
Thanks for sharing your work.
TG

 

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ANSWER: Corporate bonds of blue-chip companies will eventually move to a premium over government. We can easily see that when government was the place to run, the premium shifted to governments and then declined after 1932. If you are looking at high grade corporate bonds, towards the end of this bull market in shares, you would shift to corporate bonds – not government.

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We can see historically, no relationship is ever solid or fixed. You can see that 90-day commercial paper was at a huge premium during the 1840s when banks were collapsing during the State Sovereign Debt Defaults.  Then during 1930s you see 90-day commercial paper drop below government. This particular cycle you want to avoid municipal, state, and federal debt issues.

The Effort to Undermine Trump Continues


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What is getting really interesting is just how desperate many in Washington seem to be about Trump. It seems they are really concerned that he will cut off the gravy train in Washington. Even the Republicans hoped they could train him, fearing that his ban on lobbying for five years could be a deathblow to their livelihood.

Trump is not a racist as the nutcases claim; they are prompted by the Democrats in the campaign. Nobody can discriminate against any class, race, or religion as president. He cannot even overrule abortion — that is the Supreme Court’s decision. So why all the hatred and exaggeration? Why are people saying he wants to stop Muslims coming from other countries? The overall nastiness of those on the left against anyone who disagrees with them is stunning.

Here are the words of Christine Fair, an associate professor in Georgetown’s School for Foreign Service. “I’ve written you off as a human being,” Fair said in regards to Trump supporters. “Your vote helped normalize Nazis in D.C. What don’t you understand, you clueless dolt?” Fair later added, “YOU publicly voted for a sex assailant.” The hatred in these words from someone who teaches at Georgetown is very alarming. Someone with this much bias should never be allowed to teach anyone. It shows that the words coming from her mouth are far worse than the “hate speech” many accuse Trump of spouting out.

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The allegations that Trump’s people were in contact with Russia has never been carried out by any independent agency. This was a memo by a British operative hired by the Democrats to discredit Trump. These questionable intelligence agencies (Gang of Four) admitted that they had nothing but a memo. They also admitted that as part of ongoing intelligence, Russia has been seeking such information for every election since the 1960s, just as the USA does even with allies. Clapper tried to make the distinction between simply hacking to get info, as the USA does, and trying to use that info. When asked if he would sanction Russia, he backed off and said you have to consider the retaliation.

The integrity of the Gang of Four is called into question by using a memo that has no validity. The memo claimed a “Kremlin insider” stressed Trump’s lawyer Michael Cohen’s “importance” in the “covert relationship with Russia.” It also said Cohen’s “wife is of Russian descent and her father [is] a leading property developer in Moscow.” Cohen has responded making it very clear his wife is not Russian, but Ukrainian, and left there in 1972. Cohen said he has never been to Prague or Czechoslovakia no less Russia.

All of this is obviously trying to distract from his first press conference. I have never seen such machinations before a president takes office. This is an unbelievable attempt to undermine the new administration. I may not approve of Trump’s reliance on Goldman Sachs, but this type of slander is really taking this mess way too far. This is clearly demonstrating how divided the nation has become and how confidence in government is absolutely imploding. Meanwhile, Obama will stay in Washington and try to undermine Trump as well.

The Democrats are all about political correctness which in itself requires turning one group against another. There has never been this uniting force that use to exist in the United States. This uprising that proclaims Trump is not their president demonstrates how this is all coming to an end and that 2015.75 was indeed the peak in government.

Xi Jinping: “In 10 Years We Can Expect a New World Order”


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President of China Xi Jinping made a statement last year that has sparked a number of comments over the past few months. Xi Jinping said:

“The world is on the verge of radical change. We see that the European Union is gradually falling apart, how the US economy is crashing, and that all this will end with a new rearrangement of the world. In 10 years we can expect a new world order in which the key factor will be the alliance between China and Russia.”

You must understand that while China is technically under the Communist Party, they are by no means communist. Private industry and personal wealth has exploded. They may not have changed the party name, but the foundation of China is capitalist — not communist.

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Some comments are saying that China follows every word I say. I think that is an exaggeration. Yes, before my ordeal, we entered into an arrangement with China to do the forecasting for about 1,000 government entities. Yes, I was invited to the Central Bank when the Asian Currency Crisis hit. Yes, I recommended going to the US Treasury and demanding to buy bonds directly circumventing the New York bankers. True, our services are not blocked in China.

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All of that said, whether Xi Jinping is referring to our ECM and the turning point of 2032 that shows the financial capital of the world moving to Asia is up to anyone’s interpretation. Nevertheless, cycles are part of their core beliefs whereas in Western society we are trapped in Marxist thinking of a linear system.

Richard E. Nesbett wrote a good book entitled “The Geography of Thought, How Asians and Westerners Think Differently … and why.” He attributed his work to a Chinese student who said, “You know, the difference between you and me is that I think the world is a Circle, and you think it’s a line.” He goes on to quote him:

“The Chinese believe in constant change, but with things always moving back to some prior state. They pay attention to wide range of events; they search for relationships between things; and they think you can’t understand the part without understanding the whole. Westerners live in a simpler, more deterministic world; they focus on salient objects or people instead of the larger picture; and they think they can control events because they know the rules that govern the behavior of objects.”

This is the best description I have encountered of the difference between east and west. It is right on point. We think everything is a straight line (linear) and in Asia they see it as a cycle. So you can say Xi Jinping is following our model. Yes, perhaps. But on the other hand, they know it is a cycle without me. Granted, he may be using us for the timing. But the end game – that is inevitable

Bitcoin – Is it Sustainable?


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QUESTION: Dear Mr. Armstrong: I have been to the Orlando conference and probably read every single one of your blogs since about a year ago and now wanted to ask you about Bitcoin and/or other alternative currencies. If I am not mistaken, this topic is not something that you have really touched upon. Recent spike in the price of Bitcoin appears to be, at least in part, to be driven by certain countries such as China and Venezuela where people use it to bypass their country’s currency restrictions. Would be it fair to say the more restrictions that we will see by various countries and governments the more Bitcoin or other alternative currencies will be poised to increase in price? Would it also be reasonable to expect this same result if, as you alluded to, governments around the world continue to limit and/or eliminate cash, similar to what we see in India? Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated!

I personally thank you for everything that you are doing!

ANSWER: We must be realistic. Governments are fighting for their very existence. The BREXIT and Trump elections are direct attacked upon government that are rising among the ranks of the silent majority. I do not believe that Bitcoin can survive against governments trying to shut down the flight of capital. Countries like Venezuela are in a state of chaos. China is something different. The flight of cap[ital out of China threatens the continued weakness of the yuan and Trump will misread that as a trade war.

Long-term, the safe haven may become stocks as was the case in Germany during the 1920s. Yes there were people who used the gold coins of foreign countries just as the Japanese turned to Chinese coins when they did not trust their government. But gold you cannot ship between countries without a trace and you cannot hop on a plane with a suitcase full of gold. What did survive were  things such as blue-chip shares and real estate. But the real estate is not movable.

As far as gold is concerned, I have recommended old common date coins rather than bars and bullion. I have recommended that because you can then claim it is a collection and historical rather than bullion that can be remelted. That worked before, but it may not in the future. You can mail it around with the country, but trying to send it to a foreign land is not so easy anymore.

The higher the price, the more likely government will look at Bitcoin. It is a very sharp doubled-edge sword. We have to be concerned that the government simple do not declare it illegal and all guilty of money-laundering. Then it could become worthless overnight. The whole reason for Bitcoin is the distrust of government. Why would you trust them to also turn a blind-eye to Bitcoin?

Understanding Performance – Socrates v Medallion?


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QUESTION: Marty; I invested in your Deutsche Bank hedge fund and the performance was about 3 times that of even the Renaissance’s Medallion fund. Your employees said for the public fund you closed positions early because you were making too much in 1998. Yet that was still about 3 times what Medallion produced in 1998. Medallion is closed since 2005 and nobody has been able to duplicate their returns no less your’s. You said at the WEC you had no interest in returning to managing funds. Why is it that the only two quantitative funds to be successful, you and Renaissance, do not take on more clients?

Thanks for a great conference. Will see you in Hong Kong

HS

 

1998-ltcm-contagion1998-yen-long-term-capital-management-crashANSWER: To set the record straight, yes I had to close out positions early in 1998 in the public fund because we made way too much money. That may sound nuts, but in a public open fund you cannot post gains in the hundreds or percent for a two months. It would upset the entire industry cause all sorts of problems even with regulators. The model correctly forecast the Long-Term Capital Management Crash. I sold $1 billion worth of Japanese yen at 147 against the Yearly Bullish Reversal in addition to numerous other markets. They began calling me Mr. Yen for that trade.

1998-sp500-july-20In the share markets, I had even sold the S&P500 on the very day of the Economic Confidence Model peak – July 20th, 1998, which was the precise high in that market. Getting so many markets precisely correct presents a problem because most people do not comprehend that markets are (1) interlinked, and (2) precise. They immediately want to say you manipulate markets since the vast majority do not understand how the world economy functions and go back to instantly assuming manipulation. I was accused of manipulating the world economy because that is easier to assume than perhaps things do not work the way people believed.

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Add to all of the markets we traded precisely for that move, the fact that the London Financial Times put on the front page of the second section the story that we had forecast the Russia was about to collapse at our London World Economic Conference that summer brought in even the CIA. When they called, it was in the middle of the panic and wanted me to go to Washington to build this model for them.

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The Case-Shiller real estate index peaked precisely to the day of the Economic Confidence Model in 2007. With the Economic Confidence Model peak in 2007.15 (February 26th, 2007), that turning point marked the very day of the high in the Case-Shiller Real Estate Index. However, it also marked the precise day of the infamous sale at the top of Goldman Sachs’ notorious ABACUS 2007-AC1 $2 billion Synthetic CDO, for which they were charged with fraud. How many times does this model have to pinpoint turns precisely to the day (even 1987 Crash), before people concede perhaps its works and it is not me waking up with a premonition. There are people who pour over everything I write desperately trying to prove me personally wrong rather than looking at the reality that maybe there is something very important lurking behind the appearance of randomness.

You have to understand that performance will decline with any fund the larger the fund grows. Yes our track record with Deutsche Bank outperformed the Medallion Fund back then. However, to be fair, the Medallion Fund began only in 1988 where as our model was already being used for more than 15 years before that so we had much more experience. Comparing one to another may be interesting, on the surface, but it really comes down to the scope of the trading. We used the entire world even during the 1980s. This is why we have created the Global Market Watch to reveal how everything is connected to help take that giant leap forward for humanity.

Strategy is very important in trading. This is the core purpose of the World Economic Conferences. It is not that you trade every specific market we cover. They key is you can see how the world is unfolding and then focus your attention on the market sector you prefer, yet draw confidence from watching the strategy from the whole. It is not that the strategy fails, but you cannot execute an unlimited amount of trades of the same position.

Performance will not remain the same by simply throwing limitless amounts of money at the same market. There is not enough depth to any market whereby it can absorb an endless supply of positions or even if it were confined to a limited group of markets. This is why Medallion is a closed fund. If they accepted more money, their performance would decline. It is not a one for one relationship. Yet it is also why I developed the Global Market Watch to expand the strategy to the entire world without limitations. This is also why we have had the largest and most diverse client base from around the entire world. We are not just forecasting the United States or a single market. Those who focus on just forecasting a single market, like gold, typically hate us and only try to disprove whatever we do because they have nothing else to offer.

The Medallion Fund is the ultimate black box. They really do not report what they made money on and they are also renown for having just quants and not fund managers from Wall Street. Why? Once you interject human reasoning, performance declines. Some will claim to be managing money based upon our model, but in reality they will fail because it is simply their interpretation and human emotion will intervene.

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Funds have long tried to mimic myself as well as Medallion. They have never been able to because they are not really quantitative and human decisions, including emotions, override things. The Brady Commission investigated the 1987 Crash. They assumed at first it was computer trading. What surfaced was that most computer models said sell when our Double Weekly Bearish Reversals were elected. However, the fund managers did not sell because they did not believe their systems. When the market gaped down, panic set in and people sold BECAUSE they had no idea what was going on.

Personally, I have learned over the years that the very best trades are when the computer projects the outcome and it makes me feel like this has to be wrong. For example, BREXIT and Trump are examples of that situation. The computer will beat anyone – including me. We are all infected with emotions. They are the hardest thing to overcome.

The comparison is not whether Socrates would beat Renaissance Medallion, but why is it that the only two systems that are not based upon human decisions are at the top of the heap? How many times does the ECM alone have to work for decades before it is no longer a coincidence?

The EU Precedent also Lies in the Athenian Empire


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QUESTION: Mr. Armstrong; I read your work on the euro from the nineties and how it would fail. Everything you laid out unfolded over the the subsequent 20 years. I assume you have discovered historical attempts to create a euro type system before aside from Napoleon. Can you point to any other references?

HF

ANSWER: History repeats because the human emotions and passions of humanity NEVER change. Without going into all the numerous attempts of trying to create standards, which in fact was the root idea behind the euro to combine the European currencies to compete with the dollar, let us turn to Greece, which was the first state to crack in the Eurozone.

The Athenian coinage decree standardized currency among all the city-states that were allied with Athens. Between the years of 450 and 447 BC, the use of Athenian silver currency and Athenian weights and measures was made MANDATORY in all allied states of the Athenian Empire. This established the Athens Owl as the currency at the time making it the ancient equivalent of the US dollar on the one hand and imposed a single currency such as the euro. Section XII of the decree reads:

“And if anyone proposes or puts to vote concerning [these matters that it is possible] to utilize foreign coinage or put out a loan, let him immediately be haled before the Eleven. The Eleven should punish him with death, but if he disputes his guilt, let them bring him before a dicasteric court.”

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The Athenian Owl became the world currency that was imitated even in India. It was not that these imitations were counterfeit insofar as reducing the metal content. To the contrary, imitations were simply created because the Athenian Owls carried a premium over the silver content similar to the US dollar in peripheral economies today as many peg their currency to the US dollar such as Hong Kong or Saudi Arabia.

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The resentment of this Athenian decree that made the Athens Owls the “reserve currency” of the ancient world, contributed to the Peloponnesian War (431–404 BC) fought by Athens and its Empire  positioned against the Peloponnesian League led by Sparta. Athens had the naval supremacy, but in the end, it fell to Sparta. Today, we have resentment against the dollar being the reserve currency coming from China and Russia. But what backed the Athenian Owls to the point that they carried a premium over their metal content was the fact that Athens was the financial capital of the world due to its dominance in trade. Even shipping insurance emerged in Athens along with banking.

The Athenian Empire emerged following its defeat of the Persians much as governments now share information and hunt people for one another under the claims of terrorism. The Delian League was founded in 477 BC as an association of Greek city-states under the leadership of Athens for the purpose of continuing the defense against the Persian Empire after the end of the Second Persian invasion of Greece. The name is derived from its original meeting place, which was the island of Delos where the ancient central bank stood. Pericles moved it to Athens in 454 BC. This was similar to the design of the European Union.

Athens used the League’s navy to further its trade much as Germany has done to eliminate currency risk for its exporters. This conflict of interest often led to disputes between Athens and the less powerful members of the League creating tension over the single currency created by the Athenian Coinage Decree. By 431 BC, Athens’ authoritarian control led to the outbreak of the Peloponnesian War, which ended the League in 404 BC under the direction of Lysander, the Spartan commander upon the defeat of Athens.

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The authoritarian attempt to rule Europe by the EU is leading to the same disruption in commerce. The unelected Troika are also like the tyrants of Athens who were overthrown and replaced with democracy. Southern Europe has not benefited from the single currency any more that the various city-states among the Delian League. The single currency benefited the northern manufacturers within Europe at the expense of the less industrial Southern European member states. The failure to consolidate the debts of all members in the EU burdened their economies causing their past debts to be converted to euro which then doubled in real value. Nobody understand this very basic problem in political circles. Talk about being brain-dead!