Posted originally on the CTH on March 25, 2023 | Sundance
A familiar tactic from within the toxic corporate media system is to push a narrative that anyone who opposes their worldview is just being divisive. This is said in order to make the victims acquiesce to the demands of the abuser. In many ways, We The People are in an abusive relationship with government.
If you do not agree with the agenda as it is controlled by a small a powerful self-described elitist class, then we become the problem.
The division is not determined by our definitions, the conniving and corrupt administrators of the system are the ones creating the division we are accused of perpetrating. However, there is no division in a social context as clear as the division between the working class and the investment class rulers who consider themselves above such arbitrary labels.
When you peel the issues down to their essential core, what you will always find, always find, is the money of the thing.
The created system of control is maintained through economics, and any America-First policy that threatens to close the divide between the ‘haves and have-nots’ is viewed against their interests. This is the essential core of the opposition we face.
A thriving middle class is a powerful political balance. But a working class struggling for scraps doesn’t have the time to deliver accountability. This division of wealth is what the Washington DC UniParty exploits. Despite their pontificating lies to the contrary, all of the DC systems are created to take advantage of the wealth gap.
The social structures which create and maintain society are easier to control with a divided nation.
President Trump and the coalition of MAGA represents a true existential threat to this perpetuated system of division. The America-First economic agenda created exclusively by Donald Trump is the main problem at the heart of all MAGA opposition.
Quite simply the America First agenda puts *their* money at stake, and collectively that amounts to trillions of dollars in multinational globalist financial control. The scale of the money behind the MAGA opposition is really the biggest challenge; it is almost unfathomable, and that scale is represented within the size of the war chest they assembled for Ron DeSantis.
The top of this financial pyramid holds a grip on political power that is threatened by the worldview, outlook and economic nationalist policy of Donald Trump. The top this system will not ‘lose’ with America-First Trump; however, they will gain at a slower rate. This group will not leave their throne, they only see a slower assembling within their vaults.
The Blackrock, Vanguard, State Street and World Economic Forum crews will follow the America-First policy and invest in America, they will just hate doing it. They will hate the best-play of slower gains because the returns are not as lucrative, expedient or fraught with the simple indulgences of their custom.
However, underneath that top-tier, there are many layers of vested financial interests at lesser but more generational risk. The Cornwallis crowd will see a much more difficult time advancing their influence and affluence with America-First in place. For this tier of powdered wigs, a loss for them could really change things. This reality is why you see demographic polling showing the more affluent the respondent, the less supportive of MAGA their responses.
It’s not a class war, per se’, it is something far deeper within the psyche and outlook of people. The need for control is a reaction to fear. Losing influence and affluence is the fear behind the division. If we make the totalitarians a better sandwich, if we reach across the aisle and afford benefit of high-minded doubt, maybe our professional abusers will permit us to keep a little more… Ultimately, the chase for scraps.
This sensibility, this triggering of selfish fear, is a powerful tool. This is exactly what is being intentionally and purposefully triggered by those who are professionally political, and they are doing it for their own benefit. It is not necessarily about creating a class war; it is more akin to controlling the wealth of a nation and then forcing groups to position themselves for what remains.
The ‘us -vs- them‘ scenario is not Republicans -vs- Democrats, it’s We The People, represented by MAGA, -vs- the totalitarian rulers in both parties.
COMMENT: Marty, You have a bigger readership than CNN. They dropped to 80,000 primetime. I think you are well beyond 600,000 these days. Maybe put in an offer to buy CNN for $1.49 and hire all new staff and Socrates should get his own show.
WL
REPLY: That is just amazing. I think the price is too high. It should be negative. You fire all the leftist pretend journalists and they will be in court the next day. So there would be a huge amount of liquidation costs. They would have to pay me to take over CNN and even then I think the lights should just be turned out and start fresh with something new. This is just another example of WOKENESS and how it is destroying everything it touches. Quantification, competence, and experience are no longer required for jobs in any company that is WOKE. They are all at the end of the day destined for bankruptcy. In the media, the truth has been sacrificed for fake news to manipulate people’s opinions and steer the country to its doom.
In Germany, being pro-COVID and pro-war, the press is being viewed as part of the whole agenda against the people. There are people now attacking the journalists for hiding the deaths from the vaccines. Many see the press as just evil. Some are still caught up in the vaccines and refuse to admit that there are even side effects. They have lost all sense of honor and independence. It is no longer bout truth, it is just pushing an agenda.
The German mainstream media will also cheer on sending German boys to their death in Ukraine all because that is their directive. They seem to care nothing for society whatsoever and cannot see past the end of their nose. I do not understand how they can look at themselves in the mirror every morning.
If you have any children, tell them to stay away from joining any mainstream media. It will ruin their lives forever for when the dust settles, the people will remember who they were that sent the world to its destruction.
The Federal Reserve is highly considering this option, and Powell has mentioned it numerous times in his speeches. This is part of the move toward a cashless society as the government continually hunts down its citizens for taxes. The Founding Fathers fought to prevent direct taxation. Yet, the failing current government is drowning in debt, so they are after every possible penny they can find. A CBDC would effectively provide the government with a glimpse of all your purchases. They could easily de-bank an individual or institution without a middleman or prevent someone from making specific purchases.
Ron DeSantis (R-FL) also put forward legislation to prevent Floridians from a CBDC. The governor accused the Biden Administration of trying to inject “woke ideology into the financial sector” and said that the current administration is promoting “a central control state.” “Our money says In God We Trust. The central bank digital currency changes that to In Government We Trust. That’s wrong and I am grateful for the Governor’s continued pushback of an out-of-control DC bureaucracy,” said Foundation for Government Accountability CEO Tarren Bragdon.
Governments across the globe are searching for the Philosopher’s Stone. By changing the banking system to instantaneous transfer, they can eliminate physical money and track everything we do in real-time. They want us to surrender all liberty and terminate our civil liberties. This is precisely how empires collapse.
Posted originally on the CTH on March 24, 2023 | Sundance
If I did not know the background of Ron DeSantis; if I did not have an exhaustive research library on the activity behind Ron DeSantis; if I was not aware of how the professional Republican establishment creates the ‘illusion of choice’; I would watch this interview with a generally good sense about Ron DeSantis.
However, unfortunately for the professionally Republican political class, we do know how they operate, and we are able to see the strings on the marionettes. So, when the selected and managed product of their three-year strategic plan says about fundraising, “I deal better with regular people,” we are able to call it as nonsense with accurate data to highlight the lie.
94% of all Ron DeSantis’ money comes from Wall Street, hedge fund managers, billionaires and multinational corporations. Only 6% comes from small donors, or what you might describe as “regular people.” {LINK} Additionally, you don’t spend 3-days with billionaire donors at Four Seasons donor retreat in Palm Beach, followed shortly by 3-days at a Club for Growth donor retreat in Miami, and then get to claim you “deal better with regular people.” This is just a lie.
There are parts of this interview that many readers here will agree with. There are also many parts of this interview that readers might take exception to. But the entirety of the hour long, mostly softball, Rupert Murdoch organized interview, is based on three years of carefully managed constructs. WATCH
Posted originally on the CTH on March 23, 2023 | Sundance
Throughout the process of explaining events, situations, contexts, people and ultimately motives, I always try to introduce metaphors, analogies and comparative situations as reference points to understand the premise behind the interpretation of events, data and analysis as it surfaces.
Treepers in general, likely by the outcome of our association, also do the same thing in the comment section.
That’s why reading the comments is always enlightening as it expands the thoughts and considerations.
In the comments section here, as with some other voices in social media, there are some exceptionally brilliant minds that review events and have fantastic ways to distill complex issues into the core essence of the thing.
Ziiggii said something today that is so perfectly succinct, it is worth emphasizing.
Overall, we can see the fingerprints of Mitch McConnell in the background of the Ron DeSantis campaign. It’s not that McConnell is attached directly to the campaign, but rather is aligned with the overarching theme of DeSantis as being the acceptable Republican candidate.
Wall Street and the multinational corps, along with K-Street writ large, are the mechanisms that support the philosophy of the professional GOPe, those are the same entities supporting DeSantis. The core objective is in synergy. Trump represents a loss of control for the financial operators, DeSantis retains the system.
This was a point I was making when I said McConnell’s outlook is essentially DeSantis’. Then Ziiggii replied with a mic drop. It’s not McConnell per se’ that is in alignment with the RdS ’24 objective, it’s John Thune!
THAT is a brilliant note.
The ideological difference between McConnell and Thune is nonexistent. However, the difference between McConnell and Thune is the GOPe baton being handed down to maintain the status quo. McConnell has been grooming Thune for years… Thune’s time is soon to surface; there will be no challengers to Thune becoming the next Republican Senate Leader; the system supports it.
McConnell does represent the legacy Republican outlook, and to Ziiggii’s point, Thune represents the next in line to maintain it.
Yes, Senator John Thune is representative in the DC system of corrupt DeceptiCon activity, as Ron DeSantis is representative in the GOPe presidential aspirations.
A point very well taken.
I think Emerald has a good heart, but she's dropped the cynicism filter too far. This would be akin to letting bygones be bygones with Cruz the night of his catastrophic self-immolation at the 2016 convention.
One of the more challenging facets, to awakening the general public on the scale of corruption within Washington DC, is the need for people to drop party designations.
This is never truer than within the U.S. Senate where the mistaken “us -vs- them” perspective remains a pesky hurdle.
The blue team and red team are mirror images of themselves. They are not opposites, they are mirrored – a big difference.
The policy objective is the same, the business model within DC (K Street) benefits the upper chamber the most.
Within this dynamic, Mitch McConnell is the mirror image of Harry Reid. Mitch has been grooming his replacement for a long time; that replacement is John Thune. Senator Thune is in a position that demands stealth. Ideologically, think of John Thune as the mirror image of Gavin Newsom. They are not opposites, they are mirrored – a big difference.
The system of affluence and influence has been created to self-sustain regardless of party affiliation. The Senate is one club with one ideological perspective. Within that club rule #1 dominates: none of the members will ever expose another member. So, when there is corrupt activity within the Senate, no one from within the institution will expose another. This is the code of Omerta within the upper chamber. This is the way of the “my good friend” Senate and how it operates.
Current Senate Leader Mitch McConnell has a leadership group who carry out the institutional objectives of the upper chamber as a body. They include: Senator John Thune (whip), Senator John Barrasso (conference chair), Roy Blunt (committee chair), Todd Young (NRSC chair), Jodi Ernst (conference vice-chair), and Chuck Grassley (president pro tempore). None of these senators make a move publicly without approval from Leader McConnell.
In August of 2020, before the presidential election, Senate Whip John Thune rebuked the mail-in ballot concerns expressed by President Trump. Thune did this because ultimately the objectives of the upper chamber were more favorably aligned if President Trump was removed.
WASHINGTON DC – […] Asked if he agreed with the president’s repeated charges that mailed-in balloting will lead to a “rigged election” and “massive voter fraud,” the Senate majority whip told reporters, “I don’t.”
“Mailed-in voting has been used in a lot of places for a long time and, honestly, we’ve got a lot of folks that, as you know, they’re investing heavily in trying … to win that war. It’s always a war too for mail-in ballots. Both sides compete, and it’s always an area where I think our side, at least in my experience, has done pretty well,” Thune answered, adding: “I think we want to assure people it’s going to work, it’s secure and if they vote that way it’s going to count.” (read more)
(L-R) Barrasso, Blunt, McConnell, Thune and Ernst.
You often hear people wonder why the GOP doesn’t push back against the Democrats. The reason is simple, the GOP are the right wing of the UniParty bird, the Democrats are the left wing. They are mirror images of each other.
Both clubs are attached to the body of big corrupt corporatist government.
Watch the trade front. Watch international trade, economics, banking and multinational corporation influence. That’s the ‘trillions are at stake,’ and that’s where the opposition to everything MAGA comes from.
This video is circulating the internet that shows RESISTANCE IS NOT FUTILE. Dr. Anthony Fauci goes door to door, pressuring residents of Washington, DC, to take an experimental injection for an experimental virus he likely helped leak. Watch how the people destroy Fauci’s misinformation in a few short minutes. One woman explains to Fauci that his shot does not prevent infection or transmission—what’s the point of taking the vaccine at all? “They’re not doing it because they’re saying they don’t want to do it. They’re Republicans and they don’t like being told what to do,” Fauci stated at the beginning of the video as if this issue were political.
The second man in this video really tells Fauci to Fauci off. They’re still pressuring people to take the vaccine under the pretense that it will protect the public, although even the pharmaceutical companies admit the vaccines provide no such protection. When the gentleman in the video expresses his hesitation with valid points, Fauci attempts to present “the science,” which we have learned is ever-changing based on the agenda. “When you start talking about paying people to get vaccinated…when you start incentivizing people to get vaccinated, there is something going on with that,” the skeptical American said. He then told them that the entire pandemic was about FEAR and inciting terror within the population to force them to behave as ordered.
Naturepublished an article entitled, “Vaccine incentives do not backfire — policymakers take note.” The study claims that cash incentives for vaccinations do not have negative consequences. “Eager to get vaccines into as many arms as possible, [governments] began to offer unusual incentives: in San Luis, Philippines, vaccinated residents could enter a sweepstake to win a cow; in Hong Kong, the windfall was an apartment; in West Virginia, it was a hunting rifle, among other prizes,” the study notes. They truly think the public is clueless and willing to risk their health for a prize. Other local governments offered marijuana, school scholarshipsweepstakes, grocery discounts, free rideshares, vacations, tickets to concerts and sporting events, and even an opportunity to win a family reunion.
The study published by Nature determined that the Great Unwashed could be persuaded:
"However, people and policymakers still worry that such incentives could have unintended negative consequences. People might expect payment for future vaccinations, for instance. Or they might think the payments are compensation for something that isn’t safe or could be unpleasant. Now, the results of two trials published in a paper on 11 January in Nature suggest that simple cash payments have no such unintended effects."
Independent thought is the greatest tool we have against the globalists.
At a certain point you have to wonder if the scale of the “dual justice” visibility is not intended to provoke a political crisis. If this is the motive, we are heading to a very dark place.
During his opening monologue last night, Tucker Carlson outlines the latest expectations in the arrest of President Trump and the pending criminal indictments of more than a thousand people related to the events of January 6, 2021. WATCH:
Published originally on the CTH on March 19, 2023 | Sundance
Slightly interesting, and in the big picture somewhat expected. During a lengthy interview with ABC’s primary propagandist, Jonathan Karl, former VP Mike Pence asserts that if he is forced to give testimony to Special Counsel Jack Smith on conversations with President Trump about the 2020 election results, the legal team behind Pence will not assert that private conversation as “executive privilege.”
This approach was expected by the most cynically minded, because it explains why Pence is delaying any presidential race announcement. If Pence is to be valuable to the special counsel, he must testify before he makes a 2024 announcement, or else his testimony gives the impression of denying “executive privilege” in order to undermine his opponent, Donald Trump – which is, of course, his true motivation. Video [@21:36] and Full Transcript Below:
We all know a Mike Pence person in our lives. A person highly skilled in delivering weaponized superiority and passive aggression. Mike Pence was always the earworm.
[Transcript] – JONATHAN KARL, “THIS WEEK” CO-ANCHOR: Mr. Vice President, thank you for taking the time to talk to us here in Iowa.
FORMER VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE: Thank you Jon, good to be with you.
KARL: As — as I’m sure you’ve seen, Donald Trump is saying that he’s going to be indicted on Tuesday, he’s calling for people to protest, now we — we don’t know if that’s true, the Manhattan D.A. has not said anything about it, but he’s calling for people to protest. Is that irresponsible?
PENCE: Well first let me say, I’m taken aback at the idea of indicting a former president of the United States, at a time when there’s a crime wave in New York City, that — the fact that the Manhattan D.A. thinks that indicting President Trump is his top priority, I think is, just tells you everything you need to know about the radical left in this country. It’s a — the last five years Democrats have been dismantling tough criminal justice in the city of New York. Families are paying the price and yet this is what we get.
It just feels like a politically charged prosecution here. And I, for my part, I just feel like it’s just not what the American people want to see. We got real challenges in this country today, Jon. People are facing record inflation, a crisis at our border. We have war in Eastern Europe, the American people are anxious about the future and here we go again, back into another politically charged prosecution directed at the former president of the United States, and I would just hope for better.
KARL: But he’s calling on people to protest, to come out and protest, “take our nation back.” We know what happened the last time he said that.
PENCE: Well Jon, the American people have a constitutional right to peaceably assemble — and express their …
KARL: Absolutely, but to have a former president calling on people to protest a — a — a — a justice proceeding.
PENCE: The frustration the American people feel about what they sense is a two-tiered justice system in this country, I think — I think is well founded but — I — and — I believe that people understand that if they give voice to this, if this occurs on Tuesday, that they need to do so peacefully and in a lawful manner. That the violence that occurred on Jan. 6, the violence that occurred in cities throughout this country in the summer of 2020, was a disgrace. The American people won’t tolerate it and those that engage in that kind of violence should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
KARL: But you say he’s a former president possibly about to be indicted and it’s unprecedented. Aren’t his actions unprecedented? I mean we never saw a presidential candidate give $130,000 to a porn star to keep her from — from talking. I mean, these are unprecedented actions.
PENCE: Well Jon, I — as you know, those — those events transpired before I even joined the national ticket and so I can’t — I can’t speak to the merits of the case.
KARL: Well, the payoff happened just two weeks before the election.
PENCE: But I can’t speak to the merits of the case and in America, you’re innocent until proven guilty. That’s not always true in the national media, but it is true in our justice system. And look, I know that President Trump can take care of himself and — and this process will play out, if in fact an indictment comes down. But I just have to tell you that the politicization that we see in the Justice Department, the fact that in New York, the attorney general and other Democrats running for office in criminal justice system, actually ran on a promise to get Donald Trump, I think, is deeply troubling to millions of Americans who want to see the equal treatment before the law.
KARL: Do you think people should be out protesting that? Do you think they should be protesting the courthouse? Do you think —
PENCE: Look, Jon, I think the American people have a right to let their voice be heard. But I am hoping and confident that people that may give voice to their frustration this week and in the days ahead will do so in the best American tradition, and that is peacefully, and use their First Amendment rights in the way that we all respect.
KARL: What do you think of Kevin McCarthy, Speaker McCarthy, coming out and denouncing this and saying that there’s gonna be a congressional investigation into — into all of this. Do you want federal interference into what is done by a Manhattan D.A. or any district attorney?
PENCE: Jon, I gotta tell you, as I travel around the country, people are very concerned about the politicization that we’ve seen at the Justice Department. During the Trump-Pence administration, we saw FBI’s — agents that were falsifying documents to obtain search warrants, we found about politics driving decision at — at the highest level. And again, in NYC I have to — look no one’s above the law, but when you have the attorney general campaign on a promise to get a particular American indicted, and you have other Democrat officials that pledge the same, this is not equal justice before the law. This — this looks like the criminalization of politics and the American people aren’t having it. And frankly —
KARL: But he would have the right to defend himself and to be heard by a jury of his peers, etc., etc. I mean don’t you have faith in that system? Whatever you may think about the prosecution, he’s got a chance to defend himself.
PENCE: I have — I have no doubt that President Trump knows how to take care of himself. And he will. But that doesn’t make it right to have a politically charged prosecution of a former president of the United States of America. I mean, look, we live in a very divided time in this country and for prosecutors to bring a case on — on this matter at a time that we ought to be healing our country. We ought to be finding ways to bring Americans together. We’re facing real challenges in this country. I mean — I mean literally, I was in New Hampshire not long ago and a guy running a restaurant said to me that eggs had gone from a nickel to 30 cents a piece, and he’s struggling to keep people on the payroll at his restaurant. I mean, you got families that are facing high gasoline prices. You got a crisis at our border. It’s not just 5 million people coming into America, but also Jon you’ve got an avalanche of fentanyl that is claiming lives in every big city and small town in this country.
The American people want to see leaders in Washington who will focus on the issues they care about, they’re concerned about and — and to see that what appears to be a politically motivated prosecution, that I know many in the national media will spend all their time talking about, I don’t believe that’s what the American people want our leaders in Washington focused on and — and it’s not what I’m gonna focus on as well.
KARL: I want to ask you about your recent remarks about Donald Trump and — and Jan. 6, you said that history will hold Donald Trump accountable. How?
PENCE: Well, we all face the judgment of history and I believe in the fullness of time that, that history will hold Donald Trump accountable for the events of Jan. 6, as it will other people that were involved.
KARL: In what ways? What will history say about his actions?
PENCE: Well it will be the judgment of history, I truly believe it. And I also think the American people will also have their say. I mean the president is now a candidate for office again, he’s running for election but as I go around the country, I’m, I’m convinced the American people have learned the lessons of that day. They’ve internalized what they have learned over the last two years, including in much of your good work on this topic. They know what happened. They know the fact that the president’s reckless words endangered people at the Capitol that day, including me and my family, and I believe they’ll, they’ll factor all of that in as they make decisions going forward in this country, but — again, I, I honestly can tell you that I just think that the American people want leaders in Washington. They want voices in the national debate that are focused on the issues that are affecting their lives. They’ll make their own judgment about what happened on Jan. 6. They’ll make their own judgment about this administration and its failures at home and abroad. And I think ultimately history, history will hold Donald Trump accountable for that day.
KARL: Trump actually said in response to what you said recently about Jan. 6, that it was your fault. That if you had done what he was asking you to do, throwing out those electoral votes, you wouldn’t have had a Jan. 6 as we know it. That’s what he said. What do you make of that? It was your fault. That you were to blame.
PENCE: Well I know one of the, one of the attorneys that was advising the president said the same thing in a text on January the sixth but his attorneys were wrong and –
KARL: John Eastman.
PENCE: President Trump is wrong. I know by God’s grace, we did our duty that day, to act out the express language of the Constitution of the United States. States control elections. Once states send electoral votes to the Congress, the only role that the Congress has is to open and count — they can consider objections, which Democrats brought in the last three elections that Republicans prevailed. They can consider [objections] but at the end of the day, the job of the Congress is to open and count electoral votes certified by the states — no more, no less. We did our duty that day to ensure the peaceful transfer of power under the Constitution of the United States.
KARL: I mean he says, “In many ways you can blame him for Jan. 6.” I mean you were the one that had to be evacuated. That, that, that was facing calls for people who, who were saying that they wanted to hang you. And he’s saying, “in many ways you can blame him,” blame you for Jan. 6.
PENCE: Well, it’s one of the reasons why despite the fact that the president and I actually parted amicably when we left the White House on Jan. 20 [2021]. And spoke several times in the weeks that followed that. After I saw him return to that type of rhetoric in the spring of 2021, we’ve, we’ve just gone our separate ways. I know we did our duty that day. I know the president continues to have a strong difference of opinion about my responsibilities that day, but I, I, I trust my actions to the judgment of history and the judgment of the American people — I think — the people of this country love our Constitution and, and they want to see elected officials, uphold the Constitution and stand on that foundation and … whatever the future holds for me and my little family we’ll always aspire to do just that.
KARL: I want to play you something … and if you have the video here. I want to play you something Donald Trump said to me when I asked him if he was concerned about your safety on that day. This is a — asked directly about …
(BEGIN AUDIO – MARCH 18, 2021)
KARL: Were you worried about him during that siege? Were you worried about his safety?
FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: No, I thought he was well-protected, and I had heard that he was in good shape … No, because, uh, I had heard he was in very good shape. But, but — no, I think —
KARL: Because you heard those chants, that was terrible. I mean, you know, those —
TRUMP: He could have — well, the people were very angry.
KARL: They were saying hang Mike Pence.
TRUMP: Because it’s — it’s commonsense, Jon, it’s commonsense, that you’re supposed to protect. How can you — if you know a vote is fraudulent, right, how can you pass on a fraudulent vote to Congress?
(END AUDIO)
KARL: I mean, he’s effectively justifying or excusing the actions of people who were, who were calling for you to be hanged.
PENCE: There was no excuse for the violence that took place at the Capitol on Jan. 6, and I’ll never diminish it as long as I live. But look I — the president’s wrong. He was wrong that day and … I had actually hoped that he would come around in time, Jon, that he would see that the cadre of legal advisers that he surrounded himself with had led him astray. But he hasn’t done so and it’s, I think it’s one of the reasons why the country just wants a fresh start. Our duty is to the Constitution of the United States. Now there were irregularities in that election — they were reviewed by the courts around the country. States had changed the rules in the election in the name of COVID. And I thought it was—
KARL: But — but you don’t think the election was stolen I mean you, you’ve said that–
PENCE: Look, I think it was worthwhile that the Congress debate the objections and consider the facts and then move forward with the peaceful transfer of power all under the Constitution and, and the laws of this country but … at the end of the day, I’ll let history be the judge, the American people be the judge and I’ll always know we did our duty that day.
KARL: But does saying — justifying those murderous chants — does way he’s talked about it since. Does that effectively disqualify him from being commander in chief again? What do you think about — that you’d have somebody that would again, justify those chants back in a position of authority.
PENCE: I think that’s a judgment for the American people.
KARL: What’s your judgment about it?
PENCE: And I’m confident they’ll make it. Well, look, I will be honest with you. I was angry that day. And while I believe in forgiveness, I’ve been working hard at that for a while. The president let me down that day. He let the country down that day. But thanks to the courage of law enforcement, the riot was quelled. We reconvened the Congress, the very same day and a day of tragedy became a triumph of freedom. And I’ll always be proud of our small part in that, but be honest with you the emotions of that day, the emotion since, I just haven’t had time for it. To me, there’s just too many issues that we’re facing this country today under the failed policies of this administration that I don’t have a lot of time for looking backwards.
KARL: Could you ever–
PENCE: –I’m looking forward and uh focused on whatever role we might play in helping to turn this country around.
KARL: Could you ever support him again for president?
PENCE: I think that’s yet to be seen, Jon. I must tell you that I think we’ll have better choices. We’re going to decide as a family whether we offer ourselves as one of them but I think different times call for different leadership. I think the American people long for leadership at the highest level that’s focused on the issues that are affecting their lives. And also, I think they longed for leadership that will keep faith with our highest traditions, including the foundation of the Constitution of the United States.
KARL: You had said back in September of 2020, that President Trump “he’s a man of his word.” You still believe that—?
MP: I’m very proud of the record of the Trump Pence administration.
KARL: But is he a man of his word?
PENCE: On one issue after another, we kept our word to the American people. Whether it be rebuilding the military, cutting taxes, unleashing American energy, securing the border, appointing conservative judges, putting pro-life judges to the Supreme Court that gave us a new beginning for life. One issue after another, I saw the president keep the word that he made to the American people and I was, I was proud those four years to stand with him. And I know that grates on some people in the national media, Jon. As I wrote in my book, I’m incredibly proud of the record of our administration. It didn’t end well, ended in controversy, but those four years we saw America through that pandemic, we we led our nation to greater prosperity and security in those first three years than anytime in my lifetime. And I’ll always be proud of the record of the Trump Pence administration.
KARL: I’m not asking you about the record. I’m asking you about the man. I mean, you had said another time, “I always tell people to know President Trump is to know someone whose word is his bond.” I mean, this is somebody that, as you acknowledged in your book, lied to the American people about what you had told him about Jan. 6, that you couldn’t do it. And he put out a statement saying you were in complete agreement with him — I mean that’s just one of many, many, many examples. You don’t still think that to know President Trump is to know that his word is his bond, again, not the record of the administration, Donald Trump, the man.
PENCE: I said that at that time and I meant it. I was deeply disappointed with the president’s words and conduct in the days leading up to Jan. 6, and on Jan. 6.
KARL: And since right? And since?
(CROSSTALK)
PENCE: Yes, you know, but but, you know, as I wrote in my book, the next day when the president committed to a peaceful transfer of power when he condemned the violence at the Capitol. I thought we were back on track and in the week that followed we would we spoke, I was very direct with him about my experience, and my view of it, and my belief that I’d done my duty, and we parted amicably and respectfully, but in the months that followed, he returned to that that same rhetoric he was using before Jan. 6, rhetoric that continues much up to this day and and that’s why we’ve gone our separate ways. And I continue to, I continue to be disappointed in the fact that the president has not seen his way clear to know that by God’s grace, we did our duty that day.
KARL: Can you can you clarify your position on testifying to the special counsel? I know that you’ve cited the speech and debate clause, you don’t want to talk about your role in presiding over the Congress on that day, but my understanding of the subpoenas are 16 separate things that they want from you — 16 different topic areas — and only maybe the most two of them would directly be about you presiding over the joint session that day. So are you willing to testify about other matters?
PENCE: Well, Jon, as you know, I’m limited in what I can say about proceedings related to the grand jury, but just as I did on Jan. 6, when I upheld the Constitution of the United States, I think preserving the separation of powers, the speech and debate protections that legislators have, and that those operating in the legislative branch have, is enormously important to the life of the nation. We simply don’t want an executive branch to be able to haul legislators into court every time that there’s a policy dispute. And so I’ve directed my attorneys to make, uh make a strong case in defense of my role as president of the Senate, presiding over a joint session of Congress on that day and in the preparation for that, and we’ll let the courts sort it out but I’ve actually never asserted that other matters unrelated to Jan. 6, would otherwise be protected by speech and debate. But I—
KARL: -So you may be willing to testify on other matters just not specifically your role–
PENCE: -I’m going to stand firm on the Constitution of the United States. We’ll let the courts sort that out. And, but I’ll [crosstalk] — I’ll obey the law
KARL: —Because I don’t want to misinterpret your remarks. You are open to testifying on other matters?
PENCE: We’re going to respect the decisions of the court and that may take us all the way to the highest court in the land. But I think this principle is an important one and I — I hope that people will see that throughout my career I’ve been a constitutional conservative, someone who believes in the Constitution as written and believes that the separation of powers is just as important as the work that we did, ensuring the peaceful transfer of power. Look, this is the greatest nation in the history of the world. And I believe much of that greatness springs from the heart of the American people, the faith in the American people. But ultimately, it is that form of government enshrined in the Constitution of the United States that has made it possible for us to create this extraordinary United States of America and I’m gonna stand on that. And we’re gonna make that case, but I promise you we’ll respect the decisions of the court. But I’m going to stand firmly on the Constitution.
KARL: But it’s not that you’re objecting to talking about, for instance, the broader effort to overturn the election. That was one of the other items.
PENCE: As I’ve said, we’re not asserting executive privilege, which may encompass other discussions. I believe the president may well have brought a claim for that. But I just believe that the work that I did preparing for and conducting on my role as president of the Senate is covered by the speech and debate clause. I believe we have the law on our side-
KARL: But the other issues
PENCE: But we’ll wait and see on the court.
KARL: OK. OK. Thank you for clarifying that because I know that you think big picture. Nobody is above the law. You don’t think Donald Trump is above the law?
PENCE: Nobody’s above the law. But nobody’s beneath the law either. And the American people are troubled after four years of our administration, seeing the politicization of the Justice Department, I strongly support the efforts in Congress to investigate the role that politics is playing in our justice system today. And this latest news of, of the Manhattan D.A. determined to apparently bring an indictment against a former president of the United States just feels like one more example of politics being in the lead in our justice system. And that’s not what the American people want. We want equal justice before the law, and that’s a principle I’ll always stand on.
KARL: So let’s turn to the next election — you’re here in Iowa. Are you running for president?
PENCE: Well, we’re giving serious consideration to it, Jon, and we’re getting a lot of encouragement, not only here in Iowa, but all across the country. When I, when I think of the blessings I’ve had in my life to serve in the Congress for 12 years, to serve as governor of Indiana and then as vice president of the United States and then I think of the magnitude of challenges facing this country at home and abroad under the failed record of the Biden administration, we’re, we’re giving, we’re giving prayerful consideration to what role we might play, but I think now is the time for for all of us that care about this country to consider our part to play a part and to make sure that we elect leadership at every level that will turn this country around in 2024 and beyond.
KARL: You said previously that your decision would come by spring. I know it doesn’t feel like spring out there. But Monday is officially the first day of spring. What’s your, what’s your timeline?
PENCE: Well, I can tell you we’re getting closer. I’ve been spending time with our family, been listening to friends around the country. And I expect before too long we’ll — we’ll know what our calling is. You know, Jon, it’s always for our family, It’s all about, It’s all about what we feel called to do. I think there’s two kinds of people in politics: people that are driven and people that are called. If you know my story, you’ll know I’ve been both in my life, but the last 20 years we’ve just tried to respond to what we sense is a calling of the American people and a sense of God’s calling in our life and we think we’ll have a good sense of that in the near future and I promise to keep you posted.
KARL: On Ukraine, you’ve taken, you’ve staken out really I guess you’d call it a Reagan-esque position of defending Ukraine, standing up against Russian aggression, but I’m sure you heard Gov. DeSantis say that the war in Ukraine is a territorial dispute. You would disagree.
PENCE: The war in Ukraine is not a territorial dispute. It’s a Russian invasion. It’s just the latest instance of Russia attempting to redraw international lines by force, and the United States of America must continue at a quickened pace to provide the Ukrainian military the support that they need to repel the Russian invasion, and the stakes are that high. This is, this is a test of American leadership, And a test, frankly, of the free world. As the leader of the free world, as the arsenal of Democracy, America needs to continue to ensure that the Ukrainian military has what they need. Anybody that thinks that Vladimir Putin will stop if he overruns Ukraine has another thing coming, Jon. And there’s no doubt in my mind, that the Baltics could be next. That what Putin is about, is reasserting that old Soviet sphere of influence in Eastern Europe. And the difference would be once he crosses into a NATO country we’ll have no choice but to send American service members into harm’s way. Now we can do as Ronald Reagan said we can, we can provide freedom fighters in their own countries, the resources to repel aggression there so that we don’t have to fight ’em here with our own soldiers. And that’s what we need to continue to do in Ukraine. I’ll continue to be a voice for that.
KARL: So what do you make of DeSantis calling it a territorial dispute? Because that’s virtually exactly what, how Putin describes it. And you said there’s no place for Putin apologists in the Republican Party and why is DeSantis-
PENCE: -Well
KARL: -saying that-
PENCE: There, there are, there are voices in our party that don’t see a vital American interest in Ukraine. But I see it differently. I truly do believe in that Reagan Doctrine that used to say back in the 1980s, that if you’re willing to fight the communists there, we’ll give you what you need, so we don’t have to fight ’em here. That set into motion the policies that brought the collapse of the Soviet Union. We, we have Russian aggression on the move, again, just as they did under Obama and Crimea, as they did under President Bush in Georgia. And we have to meet this moment with American strength. And make no mistake about it: Not only is American strength and the strength of the free world required to restrain Russia’s ambitions, but I think by standing strong with the Ukrainian people against Russia, we’ll also send a very clear message to China about its ambitions in the Asia Pacific and make sure they understand that the free world is prepared to rally around places like Taiwan in the event that, that China decides to move with the kind of aggression that we’ve seen from the Russian military.
KARL: Chris Christie said that DeSantis was naive in thinking we could just walk away. Do you see it that way? Is it naive to think that the United States can disengage and let the Russians and Ukrainians fight it out?
PENCE: I — I wouldn’t want to characterize it any other way than saying it’s wrong. The fact is, that, that Russia attempted to redraw international lines by force, under, under every administration in the 21st century except ours. And I think it was because we made historic investments in our military, we were willing to use force in Syria against the Bashar Assad’s regime. We, we unleashed the American military to take down the ISIS caliphate that, the, Russia saw American strength during the Trump-Pence administration. And after that disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan, I can’t help but believe that emboldened the enemies of freedom around the world. And so now more than ever, but we need to stand firm and let me say again, the Biden administration has to hasten and quicken the support that they’re providing to the Ukrainians.
KARL: F-16s?
PENCE: This, this business of pledging 33 Abrams tanks in January and then saying they won’t be there for a year and a half is unacceptable. We ought to provide the tanks, the missiles and the aircraft that the Ukrainian military can use to take the fight to the Russians. President Biden said in his State of the Union address that we’re there as long as it takes. Well the American people know it shouldn’t take that long. If we marshal the resources of the free world, the arsenal of democracy, give them what they need, they’ve demonstrated their courage, their tenacity and I believe the Ukrainians can repel that Russian invasion and reassert, reestablish peace in Eastern Europe.
KARL: Does President Biden deserve some credit, though, for keeping NATO together on this?
PENCE: Well, I think there’s a lot of credit to go around with NATO. We called on NATO to make renewed investments in our common defense and before we left office, $150 billion in commitments from NATO countries for our common defense. NATO was stronger the day we left office than the day we came into office. But I want to say again, I think the fact that the Biden administration cut off military aid to Ukraine in the early days of their administration, and then has been slow in providing that military aid, needs to be called out. I do believe that it’s imperative that we remain there. It’s commendable that the United States has provided leadership in the free world to marshal support against the Russian invasion. But, but, my message to the Biden administration is, is, pick up the pace. Give them what they need to win this war and we’ll, we’ll make a contribution to peace in Eastern Europe and in the world.
KARL: We’re just about out of time, but I also want to ask you about something. I want to ask you about what President Trump just said about, about Ukraine. He said that the war is a quote proxy battle between the United States and Russia, and he’s calling for an immediate ceasefire. Which, effectively, I, would freeze Putin’s gains in place, I suppose. I mean, what do you think about what President Trump is saying about Ukraine?
PENCE: Well, as I said, whether it’s President Trump or others in our party around the country, there, there are those who see some choice before us, other than giving Ukraine the ability to fight and win against the Russian invasion. I believe it’s imperative that we stand firm. That we continue to provide the Ukrainian military the resources that they need to repel the Russian invasion. And that will be the fastest way to secure peace and stability in Ukraine and in Eastern Europe.
KARL: Alright, Vice President Pence thank you for taking the time and I’ll hold you to it, you’ll let us know when you decide about running for president
Posted originally on the CTH on March 19, 2023 | Sundance
It is good that people are starting to realize the deception in the world of politics, specifically Republican politics, by watching what is not done, who does not speak, and what is not being said in the aftermath of a visible effort to indict President Trump by a politically motivated New York district attorney.
The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence; however, the silence tells you something very specific when it comes to politics. The corrupt and manipulative political system is designed to test opinion, that is what most professional politicians do before they take a position. In essence, the ones who wait are the ones who manipulate.
The politicians who wait to express opinions on substantive issues, are the ones who are comfortable operating in the world where manipulation is the tool, and authenticity is something they do not carry. In the biggest of big political pictures, this approach is what supports the maintenance of the professional political system.
Without manipulation as the primary agenda of focus, politicians do not need consultants, polling, managers or branding groups. However, when the creation of an artificial premise, the manipulation itself, is the baseline for the character of the principal – all of these systems are needed. This video by Vivek Ramaswamy has gained a lot of attention, because at the core of it – he is correct. WATCH:
However, the issue extends well beyond individual politicians; the issue goes all the way through the political apparatus into the systems and institutions itself. This is one of the reasons why, when you fine tune your discernment, you can predict “what systems” are carrying “what motives.”
Remember, CTH outlining the Republican Governors Association (RGA) as one of the manipulative political institutions that was different this time around, for the 2024 race? {Go Deep} It’s not just Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis that you should notice. Pay attention to the specific silence, positioning and wind testing that is taking place from within that entire network of the Republican Governors Association. There’s the *tell* that indicates I was correct.
The good news is that President Trump can also see it. [LINK]
Why they wait….
The professional Republicans follow the instructions of the professional Republican control agents. Those control officers are waiting to see if the predictions do come true, and if President Trump is actually indicted. They want the opportunity for the dates to pass without action so they can use the absence of an indictment as a political tool to advance their narrative against Trump.
The publicity of the statements by Trump and the Mainstream Media, may actually influence the decision by Alvin Bragg and the New York City DA’s office. However, for the purposes of the RGA and the characters intent on controlling the 2024 GOP nomination, that aspect will be ignored in favor of driving a bigger wedge between Ron DeSantis and President Trump in the absence of an indictment.
DeSantis branding is all about these types of consultant advisors. This is why I said do not look for a statement from him. It’s the same reason why the DeSantis managers kept him in a bunker for five days after the Mar-a-Lago raid. This approach is all about manipulation and narrative creation.
World War Reddit and Ron DeSantis have something identical in common. It’s the same playbook, the creation of an illusion.
Once you see how much planning goes into these types of operations, then you begin to realize the scope of the financial interests that are involved. There are trillions at stake.
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